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tbrown wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I gave you a screenshot from a wiki page with TWO sources on it (Texas Lyceum being the other). If you don't like those sources, go do some google-fu and come back with more reliable numbers.

"They can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true."

sjfcontrol wrote:

tbrown wrote:"They can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true."

Bonjour!

Touché, but I think that the whole point was missed. The question was how was the relatively unknown candidate doing. In a poll of apparently UT students and faculty, almost nobody knew who he was and picked Abbott. But here is more detail from the UT poll: http://www.texastribune.org/2013/11/04/ ... s-davis-6/

Here are some graphics from the link:


In the question which included Pauken, here is what they found:


THEN, they removed Abbott from consideration and asked this question:


Now, you want to know how bad Pauken is doing? Without Abbott in the race, respondents pick Davis over Pauken. With abbott in the race, they don't even know who Pauken is. In the question of who they would vote for in the republican primary, 50% pick Abbott, 42% don't know, the remaining 8% are spread between Pauken and 3 other names. EVEN IF the 42% "don't knows" went for Pauken, he would be only be at 44% to Abbott's 50%, and that would still leave 6% who could go either way, including to Abbott. But I've been a registered voter for 40 years or more, and I've never seen a 2% pre-primary candidate win a general election that I can recall.

I'll grant you these are UT people writing the article, but not even the UT Tribune would fake a discrepancy that large. As untruthful as the Obama administration is, even they wouldn't lie about numbers that far apart.

RealClearPolitics.com doesn't even mention Pauken: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... /governor/

Forth Worth Star Telegram says Pauken has 0%: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/02 ... -2014.html

Pauken says he has $400,000 in campaign "commitments," and says he'll have $100,000 of his own money to invest in the campaign. (SOURCE) $500,000 will not pay for a gubernatorial campaign in any state.

I don't have anything against the guy, and he may be an honest broker with all the right values, but in terms of defeating Wendy Davis, he's a distraction.

Jason K wrote:We're actually considering the Texas Tribune a credible source now?.....

I don't know anything about the Texas Tribune, for or against. You asked how Pauken was doing. I gave you a screenshot from a wiki page with TWO sources on it (Texas Lyceum being the other). If you don't like those sources, go do some google-fu and come back with more reliable numbers. I'm open-minded.

But you asked, I answered, and you shot down the answer. Go get your own answer then. I don't care.

Jason K wrote:Last I heard, Tom Pauken was still running against Abbot in the primary....and he's supposed to be very pro-2A.

What say y'all about him?

I don't much about him, but he's a dead man walking in the primary. Here's a screen shot from the wiki page:

Redneck_Buddha wrote:So is Glass being trotted out there as a fake Libertarian by Obama's bundlers like the fake Libertarian they rolled out in Va.?

No, she's not. She's a genuine Libertarian candidate. I've spoken to her husband once by phone, and they (she) are the real deal. I respect her, and while I don't buy into the entire libertarian party platform, I lean that way generally speaking. It's just that I am a political realist, and she hasn't got a prayer of being anything other than a spoiler for any republican candidate.

The thing is, more and more Tea Party members are beginning to identify themselves as "libertarian-leaning," even while they tend overwhelmingly to be republicans. There is a libertarian-trending movement afoot within the republican party. The current issue of News Max Magazine (Print) has an interesting article about Rand Paul and the influence that he and others who are following in his footsteps are having upon the republican party. They are, gradually, taking the party in that direction. It will never be as fully committed to libertarian principles as the libertarian party is itself, for the simple reason that the republican party is a bigger tent. But honestly, if you had the choice between a libertarian leaning republican candidate who could get elected, and a libertarian purist who will never get more than 5% of the vote, and if the vote were going to be close enough that the libertarian candidate could actually cause the republican to lose, resulting in another Obama, wouldn't you rather have the libertarian leaning winner than the next Obama?

tallmike wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:PLEASE take this into account. Kathy Glass, the libertarian candidate, may be a worthy person, but she has no chance of winning. None at all. The only thing she will do is take votes away from Abbot. Right now, she's not really registering in the polls, although she was showing 5% back in late October. Any points she gains will likely detract from Abbott rather than Davis.

What I hear you saying is, "don't vote for the candidate you think will do the best job, vote for the one who has the best chance of winning"

Are we any better off because we have consistently voted for R's or D's? Then why would we keep doing it?

If Greg Abbot were a Chris Christie or John McCain, that would be a fair AND needed question, especially if this were a national election. I'm with you on that, but Abbott is neither of those things, and it's not just that he is more electable, it is that he is acceptable and electable. He's not the ideal libertarian candidate, but he is a candidate who is pro-individual liberty enough that he should be acceptable to those libertarians who would rather not have Wendy Davis as governor, if their candidate has a less than 5% chance of winning. Kathy Glass has a less than 5% chance of winning. Wendy Davis plays dirty pool, and the vast majority of her funding is coming from dirty pool states like California, Massachusetts, and New York. As much as I would like to see a libertarian governor, it is more important that the governor not be an out-of-state supported democrat. THAT is what happened in Virginia. We can't afford to have it happen here. If the republican nominee is decent, but not perfect, political realities would indicate that this is where your libertarian minded vote would be best applied.

http://therealwendy.com/wendy-davis-anti-gun/

I doubt that there are very many members of this forum who would consider voting for her, but Wendy Davis is not a friend of the 2nd Amendment. I would urge ALL members to consider whether their vote in 2014 will put Wendy Davis closer to winning against Greg Abbott. . . . .most particularly to those of us who are currently disenchanted with the republican leadership at the national level.

Recent polling suggests that there is a 15 pt difference between Abbot and Davis, with 15% undecided: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_gube ... #Polling_2. THAT's how critical this is.

PLEASE take this into account. Kathy Glass, the libertarian candidate, may be a worthy person, but she has no chance of winning. None at all. The only thing she will do is take votes away from Abbot. Right now, she's not really registering in the polls, although she was showing 5% back in late October. Any points she gains will likely detract from Abbott rather than Davis.

Greg Abbot is a strong defender of gun rights. His website says (http://www.gregabbott.com/issues/):

Greg Abbott believes the right to keep and bear arms was settled in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was adopted to the U.S. Constitution. On behalf of 31 states, Attorney General Abbott championed a landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision (District of Columbia v. Heller) that struck down a handgun ban and protected an individual’s right to bear arms.
Greg Abbott continues to protect 2nd Amendment rights by preparing to challenge potential federal laws that limit gun rights. He was also one of the first Attorneys General in America to challenge the Obama Administration’s efforts to use the United Nations to regulate guns in the United States.
As an avid hunter and member of the Texas State Rifle Association and National Rifle Association, Greg Abbott will continue to fight any federal government overreach that aims to disrupt the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding Texans.

We need a strong pro-gun governor who can and will mop the floor with Wendy Davis. I'm not voting the party, I'm voting the man. I urge you to do the same.