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by The Annoyed Man
Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:20 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Doctors asking if you own a gun
Replies: 69
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Re: Doctors asking if you own a gun

rbwhatever1 wrote:From our beloved Obama Care Tax Bill, Pages 766 & 767 of H.R.3590
The first thing that caught my attention was the words "Lawfully" and the second item was why the Second Amendment reference in the "health care bill" at all? We all know how the Federal Government feels about the 2nd Amendment. Can they ask about "unlawfully" owned firearms or query to see if unlawful? I have no opinion either direction as I do not trust the Federal Government and I will not be participating at all..

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‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
This prompts some questions, as anybody who knows my posting history knows that I think of the falsely named ACA:
  1. What kind of fruit and nut bar would report unlawfully owned, used, or stored firearms to their doctor?
  2. Given #1, what possible bearing do these questions have on the medical records of law-abiding people, if they are not for data-mining purposes for future gun-control roundups?
If it is the job of the state to control your healthcare; and if, in the view of the state, guns are anathema to good health; the state then has a vested interest in lowering their risk exposure to your life choices by removing guns from your possession. . . . .without which it becomes more difficult for you to shoot yourself or someone else. . . .accidentally or otherwise.

That is one reason why Obamacare threatens the 2nd Amendment. . . . .not because the ACA is itself anti gun, but because it is so poorly crafted that it is destined to fail, and that will lead to a single payer system. But you can bet your sweep bippie that the data mined with the implementation of Single Payer will be used to enact the "common sense" gun control legislation "necessary" to make government healthcare work. Anyone think it's an accident that the Brits have no more gun rights? With single payer, the state is your momma and your poppa, and you only have the barest illusion of personal liberty.

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