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EEllis wrote:http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... id=6401137

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Riot car used by policemen with powerful rifles hid behind steel plates with gun outlets, 1920 – 1929 (approximate). (Photo by Leslie Jones)

1. Cops are allowed to goose-hunt with '03-A3 Springfields?
2. Stuff looks good until it actually gets used.....then nobody wants to be on camera explaining themselves....

EEllis wrote: [ Image ]
Riot guns at Boston Police headquarters, 1934. (Photo by Leslie Jones)

No problem. Every police department should have access to large numbers of shotguns......and patrol carbines too. That's not quite the same thing as having APCs.

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Superintendent Michael Crowley with machine gunners at headquarters. They are ready for big May Day riots, 1920. (Photo by Leslie Jones)

Nice. They're going to murder Americans for having an unpopular political opinion. When all those commies are dead, is Mr. Crowley going to own the responsibility for it?

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“With the latest guns, Boston police will fear nothing. The “Reds” will be met severely in case the start anything”. 1919. (Photo by Leslie Jones)

1. What if the police start something?
2. Will they own the deaths of Americans they killed over a difference in political opinions?

Enough of my posts are up denouncing communism and the kleptocrat in chief that I don't need to apologize for for the above. But I'll be hanged if I will fire on American citizens over a political difference.........unless they fire on me first.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f ... scare.html

Shortly after the end of World War I and the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, the Red Scare took hold in the United States. A nationwide fear of communists, socialists, anarchists, and other dissidents suddenly grabbed the American psyche in 1919 following a series of anarchist bombings. The nation was gripped in fear. Innocent people were jailed for expressing their views, civil liberties were ignored, and many Americans feared that a Bolshevik-style revolution was at hand. Then, in the early 1920s, the fear seemed to dissipate just as quickly as it had begun, and the Red Scare was over.

For this, the Boston PD geared up with crew-served weapons.

Shameful.

Bolton Strid wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Image of a Bearcat, for those (like me) who didn't know what one is:
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Oh. Nice ride for use against run-of-the-mill crooks but if the population went Mad Max it'd be a death trap. Many, many low-tech ways to score mobility kills.

That's not what worries me. God forbid things ever degenerate to that point here in the U.S. and Texas, Iraq and Afghanistan have pretty much proven that vehicles like this can be defeated with pretty simple tech. In fact, I have previously stated that I don't have a problem with local SWAT departments and their equipment........as long as that is what the LOCAL people want. What worries me has more to do with the implications for the relationship between police and policed. I have a PROFOUND mistrust of DHS's methods and motives. I don't think local PDs ought to get themselves entangled in DHS's largess, as it surely does not come without strings. You local PD may have the best intentions, but when DHS is pulling the strings, what do those good intentions become worth?

JALLEN wrote:

EEllis wrote:Since the topic seems to be going one way only let me re-post a statement by a LEO on this subject. While this doesn't indicate that the Dept needs an armored vehicle it does address some claims about the "militarization" issue and makes some good points.

Some have asserted that there are black swans, and they see evidence of them. You have responded, in essence, by claiming that not to worry, all swans are white, and have always been white.

The trouble is that no matter how many white swans are observed, it does not prove that all swans are white, while observing one black swan disproves the assertion.

A VERY enlightening book: http://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Improb ... black+swan

Col Gabe Martino (USMC Retired) wrote:There's always free cheese in the mousetrap.

That right there is a money quote.

Image of a Bearcat, for those (like me) who didn't know what one is:


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