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VMI77 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

VMI77 wrote:They're all still in office and the likelihood that any of them will ever suffer any earthly consequences for their actions are slim to none.

Aaaaaahhh but a long spell at Leavenworth is fun to contemplate, isn't it....even if we know it will never happen?

That's sort of mild actually, to the kind of consequences I've enjoyed contemplating....like Treason trials and their attending consequences.

That's better yet, but I dare not even hope for that one.

IRS leaked Romney campaign donor info: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/12/pro-m ... -campaign/

My main man, Ted Cruz, "Abolish the IRS:" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... h-the-irs/

Jay Leno, "Close IRS, not Gitmo:" http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2VGEFafXC

Meanwhile, here's what the IRS does with your tax dollars (and mine): http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 4-10-02-22

VMI77 wrote:They're all still in office and the likelihood that any of them will ever suffer any earthly consequences for their actions are slim to none.

Aaaaaahhh but a long spell at Leavenworth is fun to contemplate, isn't it....even if we know it will never happen?

Jaguar wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

mojo84 wrote:The minion acts as if the questions are going to slow him down. I bet the train was going to leave at the same time whether Franken answered the question or not. Slime balls.

I gotta get me some minions.

I'll be a minion for you, TAM.

Thank you Jaguar, but I suspect that you have scruples. That's a disqualifier.

mojo84 wrote:The minion acts as if the questions are going to slow him down. I bet the train was going to leave at the same time whether Franken answered the question or not. Slime balls.

I gotta get me some minions.

It all points to the prez: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... n_newsreel

AND..... in the "You Just Can't Make this Stuff Up" category.....

....It's all Bush's fault: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... andal.html

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Reality Check video from Ben Swann begins to trace the chain of command above the Cincinnati IRS agents who conducted this harassment, and guess where it leads: DIRECTLY to Washington:
http://www.fox19.com/story/22380127/rea ... rs-scandal

jmra wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Top IRS official will invoke the Fifth Amendment in congressional hearing about tea party targeting program
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Either what she did is not illegal, as the guy who just resigned claims, or it is illegal and she'll plead the Fifth. If it's NOT illegal, then can she plead the 5th without being in contempt of Congress?

Actually, since this isn't a trial (yet), can she plead the fifth at all? I'm thinking yes, since the fifth would be somewhat toothless if it only applied to actual trials, but I've been wrong before.

Yes. Claiming the 5th before Congress happen frequently. Ticks off the committees but there's not a whole lot they can do about it.

Yes, I've heard of people pleading the 5th before Congress, but those people either had already been charged with something, or were about to be charged with something. But the other dude, the one who just resigned, has repeatedly said that, as of the current state of the law, no law was broken. He repeatedly specified that there are administrative offenses in this area, which means it's a "personnel policies and procedures" issue but not a legal one. I have heard his house counsel attorney, the bald black gentleman who sat next to him at his right, specifically state the same thing. If none of these activities were illegal, why plead the 5th, unless you are fairly certain in your own mind that you DID break a law and it just hasn't come to light yet?

I concede that she has the right to plead the 5th, but it also tends to firm up my belief that she's guilty as sin. Now, if anybody but Eric Holder were AG, the fact that she's going to plead would cause him to focus his attention on her and turn up the investigation; and she could plead all she wants, but criminal charges would eventually be filed. By leaning on the employees below her with the full weight of the government, the AG would eventually gather enough evidence to charge and indict her.....and then she'd have her day in court.

But we don't have anyone different from AG Holder, and if you'll recall, he has said that he doesn't know anything because he recused himself.

So this IRS criminal is not only going to walk free, she's not even going to lose her job.

Top IRS official will invoke the Fifth Amendment in congressional hearing about tea party targeting program
By DAVID MARTOSKO
PUBLISHED: 16:14 EST, 21 May 2013 | UPDATED: 16:51 EST, 21 May 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2TzKXXPcE

The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday afternoon that Lois Lerner, who heads up the Internal Revenue Service's tax-exempt division, plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in a hearing Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Affairs.

The Fifth Amendment provides that U.S. citizens may not be compelled to offer testimony if telling the truth would incriminate them.

Lerner's defense lawyer, William W. Taylor III, wrote to the committee on Tuesday that his client would refuse to answer questions related to what she knew about the extra levels of scrutiny applied to conservative nonprofit organizations that applied for tax-exempt status beginning in 2010.

She also will decline to say why she didn’t disclose what she knew to Congress, according to the LA Times.
Lerner 'has not committed any crime or made any misrepresentation,' Taylor's letter read, 'but under the circumstances she has no choice but to take this course.'

He is asking the oversight committee to excuse Lerner from testifying, claiming that calling her in a congressional hearing would 'have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her' since members would not expect her to answer questions.

Either what she did is not illegal, as the guy who just resigned claims, or it is illegal and she'll plead the Fifth. If it's NOT illegal, then can she plead the 5th without being in contempt of Congress?

Actually, I am in contempt of Congress, so.....

mojo84 wrote:We MAY finally witness some true bipartisanship when dealing with the IRS scandal. It's a shame it happens so rarely.

Maybe, maybe not. I was watching Max Baucus trying to redirect the discussion to an indictment of large conservative orgs, rather than to stay on topic and talk about the actual travesty the IRS perpetrated. Nobody was buying it.

But I will also say that, at least for the part that I watched, I was pretty disappointed with the line of questioning from some of the plainly conservative senators. I heard questions asking whether or not the practice of selectively going after conservative orgs was illegal. The answer? "No." Apparently it is not illegal. It is an administrative violation which could end in the termination of the employee in that position OR from the agency (assuming the agency was actually impartial....it's not, which is demonstrated by the employees' own political track records); but it is NOT a criminal violation. The senator who responded to that stated words to the effect of "we need to pass a law making it illegal," but she would not go so far as to say that there should be prison time for the convicted.

That's the problem.... politicians protect their support inside the ranks of government by making it nearly impossible to throw someone behind bars for the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR that would put a private citizen in the hoosegow until long after retirement age.

mojo84 wrote:Stephen Miller, former acting IRS head and current Obama fall guy, is not acting quite so smug and cocky today in front of the Senate Finance committee.

Is there a live feed somewhere?

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Judge Jeanine Pirro gives Obama a thorough sandblasting. However, his pants are still on fire.

IRS asked a pro-life group to provide the IRS with the content of their members' prayers: http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

You just can't make this stuff up. This is so far beyond the pale that it enters the bizarre and surreal. Exactly who do these bureaucratic trolls think they are?

Just for grins..... Apparently, the thrill (up the back of the leg) is gone: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/201 ... 64095.html

On Tuesday's program, Matthews similarly called Obama "a ship with the engine off."