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terryg wrote:Maybe they have to do it ... I don't know. Maybe I should close my eyes to how the sausage is made. I just don't like feeling like I need to take a shower afterwards.

I totally agree, but it is a fact of life in our political landscape, and the only way to fix it is to scrape it all off and start over again. That's not likely to happen in the near future; and because people never surrender power willingly, when/if it ever does happen, it will be bloody.

Anygunanywhere alluded to "government doing what it wants." That's pretty much the case. I call it Leviathan, and it no longer serves US; rather, it serves itself. Any time politicians gather to consider alternatives that will either grow or shrink government, they ALWAYS choose to grow it, because that is what will perpetuate and increase their own power. They are able to do this because government schools have taught children to abdicate their duties of citizenship and to love government, and these children grow up to be voters. I forget which member of this board it was who said this a few months ago, but he said words to the effect of: "when I was in a Lutheran school, I heard about how great the Lutheran church is. Later, I attended a Catholic school and I learned all about how great the Catholic church is. Is it any wonder that government schools produce people who love government?" I've never forgotten the wisdom of that statement.

It will never get better, only worse, until such time as there is another reckoning between The People and THEIR government, and petty bureaucrats and career politicians receive a not so gentle reminder at the hands of The People of exactly who serves whom.

terryg wrote:

RAM4171 wrote:

NOT. ONE. MORE. INCH.

Anygunanywhere

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That's fine. I can respect that position. Just come out and say NICS checks, all of them, are an infringement and they don't work. The system costs too much money and we need to abolish it.

But don't imply that the bill, as written, would create a registry or that it would require checks on transfers between friends and family. Just be honest about it and about what you don't like about it.

Dishonesty and manipulation are tactics that the other side uses. I think we are, or at least should be, above that.

Actually, there's no cognitive dissonance here (I think that's the term you might have meant rather than intellectual dishonesty). I would like to get rid of NICS entirely. Make ALL sellers responsible for knowingly selling a firearm to a felon. Make all felons responsible for having tried to buy a gun.......from anybody. Get the government entirely out of the process except that of prosecuting criminals. I'm always about personal responsibility and getting government out of the process. And by the way, I'm not entirely convinced that nonviolent felons shouldn't have all their rights restored once they've served their sentences. Even so, the fact is that we have NICS, and its existence has to be acknowledged. But I am only in favor of changes which dismantle NICS and get government out of the process, even if only incrementally. So if a proposed law will expand the scope of NICS, then I'm agin' it.