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Beiruty wrote:My Bullpup Saiga 12.

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It seems like that the legs on that thing would be a lot to carry around. Can't you just shoulder fire the thing?

carrydave wrote:i really want basically all the keltec combat guns..

the ksg,rfb,su-16,pmr-30,and sub2000

why hasnt keltec expanded to meet demand. Hopefully in the next 5 years they will be able to keep up. I think everyone would buy a ksg if they could get their street price back to MSRP.

Maybe so, although it wouldn't include me. I'd rather have a Mk19 grenade launcher. OTH, I'd probably buy an RFB if they were priced near the lower end of AR10 pricing—which is where they belong. It's an innovative design, but I base the idea that they ought to be priced like a low-end AR10 on the quality of their pistols, and where their pistols fit in the overall scheme of pistol pricing. MSFP is $1,800.00, but they have never been available for that price in the real world. The single example that I handled one time at a gun show just didn't seem like $1,800.00 worth of gun to me, and it was used and the guy wanted $2,500.00 for it.......back when AR10 carbines could be found NIB for $1,000 and even less pretty easily.

Here is what I think will eventually happen:
Kel-Tec will never manufacture the RFB in quantity large enough to bring the street price down to the MSRP, let alone down to their actual value compared to other guns in their market niche—.308 caliber carbines. I put them in that niche because "bullpup carbines in .308" is basically a nonexistent market. The RFB is not manufactured in great enough quantities to create their own market niche, and that means that they compete for buyers' money in the same market niche as other carbine length semiautomatic .308 rifles........which means AR10s and the short-barreled M1As, both of which can be purchased for less than the going rate for an RFB, and which have their own positive virtues.

Consequently, some other enterprising company with greater manufacturing capability will rip off the design.....the way that Ruger ripped off the P3AT and PF9 designs for their LCP and LC9 pistols. Ruger took its time getting into the gas piston AR15 market, but now they are in. I think that Ruger or some other company will rip off the RFB, change a couple of minor cosmetic features, and sell it under their own brand name. When that happens, the RFB will find its natural market value. It hasn't yet.

I suspect that the KSG is in the same boat, but that's just me. YMMV.