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by The Annoyed Man
Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:45 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't
Replies: 54
Views: 4448

Re: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't

TxLobo wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
TxLobo wrote:Nope..
If the detained person was not a resident (and maybe even then), there might not be a criminal liability for HOA officials, but there would almost certainly be a civil liability. Peronsally, I would be so offended by such a detention that I would make sure that the individual HOA officials were sued out of their homes and savings. I would not settle for less than $10 million.

Although I dispise HOAs, I understand how some people are more comfortable living in an HOA instead of outside of one—and that is certainly their right to do so. None the less, no HOA official's authority under their organizational guidelines trumps my constitutional rights, which are considered to be unviolable.......even by government. They can ask me to leave—and I will—but if they attempt to detain me for more than about 5 seconds, then I WILL see them in court, and it isn't going to go well for them.

So don't start feeling too safe about what you can and can't do just because you're an HOA "official." That title doesn't make you the boss of me.
LOL I actually wrote a whole lot more, but decided that I would just answer the question..

having worked private security before, and worked law enforcement my initial response is something akin to "Not in this lifetime"

We had a gated community in an area that I worked, they were constantly calling and complaining about the speeders.. but... Their roads were private roads, they were not maintained by the state, or the county. We could work criminal cases on the property, just as any other private citizen could call in on a crime that happened on their property, but no traffic enforcement, minor accidents were given a blue form and a tip of the hat.

IF the security officer is trained in radar AND his radar is certified, and it's been calibrated, then I could see them notifying the HOA of any infractions and then it could be dealt with on that level.. but sending a citation? going before a judge? That would be like me burning doughnuts in my pasture.. Who's gonna stop me and what would they do? :evil2:
Please forgive me. I misunderstood your previous answer. :tiphat:
by The Annoyed Man
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:57 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't
Replies: 54
Views: 4448

Re: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't

Keith B wrote:By the way, there are much more cost effetive methods to slow people down in neighborhoods, including speed cushions or actual speed bumps.
And I agree. I don't have a problem with people wanting to put speed bumps on a residential street—whether or not it is part of an HOA. A resident family's right to have a safe place for their children trumps some inconderate jerk's right to speed down their street.

My objection is to the idea that some wannabe rentacop who thinks that he's on a mission from God and believes that he has some kind of right under the ninja code to jack with people any way he wants to.....as though black tactical cargo pants and a big flashlight are the equivalent of a sworn law enforcement officer's badge. My disdain extends to HOA officers who are petty martinets and who are drawn to the position because they have a sick need to lord it over others because their petty little lives aren't enough for them.

There are good and honorable private security guards. And there are good and honorable HOA officials. But there are also plenty of the other sort who seem to draw their self-worth from bullying other people. A pox on them..
by The Annoyed Man
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:23 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't
Replies: 54
Views: 4448

Re: Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't

TxLobo wrote:Nope..
If the detained person was not a resident (and maybe even then), there might not be a criminal liability for HOA officials, but there would almost certainly be a civil liability. Peronsally, I would be so offended by such a detention that I would make sure that the individual HOA officials were sued out of their homes and savings. I would not settle for less than $10 million.

Although I dispise HOAs, I understand how some people are more comfortable living in an HOA instead of outside of one—and that is certainly their right to do so. None the less, no HOA official's authority under their organizational guidelines trumps my constitutional rights, which are considered to be unviolable.......even by government. They can ask me to leave—and I will—but if they attempt to detain me for more than about 5 seconds, then I WILL see them in court, and it isn't going to go well for them.

So don't start feeling too safe about what you can and can't do just because you're an HOA "official." That title doesn't make you the boss of me.

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