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by The Annoyed Man
Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

snatchel wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Toorop wrote:I love my Glock. I had a Kimber in the past but I hated having to baby it and worrying about rust and other issues. With my Glock, I just let the thing be and it works. I do upkeep on it once a month but for the most part I am not to worried as gun just works all the time.
I don't baby my Kimber any more than any of my other guns, and it works just fine.
TAM, let me get that Kimber and I'll baby her for you :)
Not a chance. But I might let you hold it for a minute. :lol:
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:11 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

Toorop wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Toorop wrote:I love my Glock. I had a Kimber in the past but I hated having to baby it and worrying about rust and other issues. With my Glock, I just let the thing be and it works. I do upkeep on it once a month but for the most part I am not to worried as gun just works all the time.
I don't baby my Kimber any more than any of my other guns, and it works just fine.
I guess a better way of putting it would be that I like the fact that with my Glock, I don't have to be as conscientious about maintenance with it. I also like the fact that it is polymer and that means less rust issues as a possibility in the long run.
Well, just for the sake of argument, your Glock's slide is not stainless steel, although I can't say for sure about your barrel. The slide on my polymer framed M&P45 is stainless, under that black finish, and so is the barrel. The slides and barrels on XD and XDm polymer pistols are also stainless steel. My 3" Kimber has a stainless slide and barrel, and an alloy frame. When you put it in that perspective, your Glock is no more likely to be rust free than any of the others.

Don't get me wrong. Your Glock is a good pistol. I don't mean to be critical of it (other than its homely looks :mrgreen: ). But, to think that you don't need to be diligent about maintenance is to invite disaster. Glocks are as likely to go kaboom, fail, jam, etc., as any other gun. The "Glock's don't require maintenance" notion is a myth. They have moving parts, and the movement of those parts can be impeded by poor maintenance. Failure of those parts to move as designed can get you killed. You shouldn't ignore the proper maintenance of your Glock any more than I should for any of my guns.

It may go "bang" every time you pull the trigger, but if you ignore maintenance, the day will come when it won't. Oh.....and we own a Glock too.
by The Annoyed Man
Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:55 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

Toorop wrote:I love my Glock. I had a Kimber in the past but I hated having to baby it and worrying about rust and other issues. With my Glock, I just let the thing be and it works. I do upkeep on it once a month but for the most part I am not to worried as gun just works all the time.
I don't baby my Kimber any more than any of my other guns, and it works just fine.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:10 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

tbrown wrote:Series 70 1911s didn't have a firing pin block and were not drop safe. Maybe that's what your friend was thinking.
My modern Springfield Loaded is based on the 1911-A1, and it doesn't have a firing pin block either. But, it also has a heavier firing pin spring, and a titanium firing pin. The pin completely lacks enough mass, no matter the drop height, to overcome the inertia of the spring. That requires a drop of the hammer against the pin. I don't worry about what will happen if it get's dropped......other than cosmetic concerns.

I will say this..... one time, my wife, son, and I were at the range together at DPC, and my son was shooting my wife's G19. It was unloaded, and he had just picked it up plus a full magazine to insert into it, when he dropped the gun from 3 or 4 feet up onto rough gravel. My wife didn't see it happen, but I did. My son looked at me, and I looked at him. Neither of us said anything and we both held our breath. He bent over and picked it up. Not a scratch on it....as good as new. We both started laughing. My wife looks up and asks what we're laughing at. So my son tells her "dad farted." I still haven't gotten back at him for that one.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:35 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

A-R wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:For one thing, a typical 1911 has at least three safety mechanisms to the Glock's one
Sorry good buddy, but this is inaccurate. Glocks have three safeties - one active (trigger safety) and two passive/automatic (firing pin safety and drop safety).

Original 1911s only had two active (grip safety and thumb safety) and zero passive/automatic (though later models have integrated various drop safeties and firing pin safeties).
Yes, but the external safeties require something additional from the shooter besides just pulling the trigger. The internal safeties on the Glock may work to prevent it from discharging if dropped, but once the finger goes into the trigger guard, all bets are off; whereas putting your finger in the trigger guard of a cocked and locked 1911 will do exactly nothing unless the grip safety is deliberately depressed, and the thumb safety is deliberately switched off.

I don't have any problems with the Glock safety system. My wife owns one, and I don't think that she's in danger with it. I'm not saying that it is not as good a system as the 1911's. I'm just saying that if someone is dumb enough to not handle a gun safely, they are more likely to accidentally shoot themselves with a pistol that only needs the trigger pulled to discharge. Just ask Plaxico Burress.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:48 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

Let me start by saying, I have nothing seriously against Glocks other than A) they tend not to fit my hand very well, and B) dey ooglay. That said, they are well made pistols and work very well. My wife owns a G19. So, this is not to bash Glocks.

For one thing, a typical 1911 has at least three safety mechanisms to the Glock's one: grip safety, thumb safety, and (often, but not always) some sort of trigger/firing pin safety. It is true that all of these safeties have to function properly for the pistol to be brought into play, and it is also true that this requires more practice on the part of the 1911 owner to acquire the skills of a pistolero with that platform.

It is equally true that the sheer number of "Glock Leg" incidents simply dwarfs the number of "1911 leg" incidents, in large part due to the fact that drawing and using a 1911 requires the user to also use the fourth safety.....his brain. A Glock user on the other hand may get his booger hook into the trigger guard at any stage of the process, including the initial draw stroke, without ever engaging the fourth safety, and very easily shoot himself in the leg. Hence the statistics.

Now, I am not calling Glock users stupid. What I am saying is that they have to pay much closer attention to what they are doing in order to safely handle their pistols, than does the 1911 user with a cocked and locked pistol. And I am not saying Glock users pay less attention either. I'm just saying that if their attention wanders, the likelihood of an ND is quite a bit higher, which explains the statistics.

All of that said, repeatedly dropping your pistol, regardless of what it is, is just dumber than a bag of hammers. If your friend is doing that, he should not handle any firearms whatsoever because he has proven that he is not up to the responsibility..........that, or he drinks far too much "likker." If that is the case, and if he cannot be dissuaded from carrying a gun, then the rest of the world is much safer if he carries a 1911 than a Glock. That way, if he still wants to shoot himself in the leg, he is free to do so; but those redundant safeties on the 1911 will protect the rest of us despite his refusal to engage the fourth safety.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Dumber than a mud fence.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:05 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Dropping Glock versus 1911
Replies: 52
Views: 7066

Re: Dropping Glock versus 1911

Your friend is just being dumb.

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