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Excaliber wrote:There's another tactical consideration here. In a 2 BG confrontation at short range, both are likely to be nearly equal threats. Firing 3 rounds at one while not engaging the other at all until the 4th round leaves #2 enough free time to effectively counter and ruin the defender's day.

Shooting 1 round COM on the first, followed by a double tap on the second, and another 1 or 2 on the first followed by more on the second if the threat remains is regarded by many as the best solution for a very dangerous problem.

I understand, but that isn't how Andy shot in the video, which I presumed was the course of fire he was proposing. I might not be right in the particulars of how to address it, but I was mainly trying to convey an element of target selection into the drill, which is more like real life, rather than having a standardized "shoot the guy on the left, then shoot the guy on the right;" and also to introduce the variable of "handedness" for the shooter. After all, in real life, regardless of how may rounds you serve each target with, you're going to have to make a decision on who to shoot first, how many times, based on which is the biggest danger of the two. It seems to me that target selection is going to be the first priority, regardless of whether you shoot the first one twice, the second one twice, and the first one a third time; or shoot the first once, the second twice, and the first twice more.

OTH, if there is no particular significance to his shooting of FIVE rounds, then maybe I've just posted twice for no particularly good reason.

Andy, I have another question/suggestion....

In your video, you "mozambiqued" the left target, and double tapped the right target, and you did so shooting right handed, but a couple of different ideas come up, and maybe they unnecessarily complicate what you're trying to accomplish, maybe not. Anyway, here's what occurs to me:

1) If the drill you shot in the video is the standard, does it reverse for a left handed shooter? I.E., does the left handed shooter triple tap the right target and double tap the left target?

2) The drill in the video assumes two bad guys roughly the same distance from the shooter. Would there be any value in staggering the bad guy distances? For instance (and I realize that the target placements were determined by Elm Fork's target hangers) would there be any value in putting one of the targets in a free-standing frame, maybe 4 or 5 feet closer to the shooter? The reason I suggest this is that your decision to triple the first target in a real life situation would be dictated by that target being the greater threat to the shooter—either because of proximity, or because that bad guy has a gun or something—and the second target being the lesser of the two immediate threats.

So, you could run the drill so that 20 rounds total are fired, in 4 parts:

1. left target is the bigger threat and closer to the shooter; triple the left target and double the right target;
2. right target is the bigger threat and closer to the shooter; triple the right target and double the left targe;
3. left target is the bigger threat but furthest from the shooter; triple the left target and double the right target;
4. right target is the bigger threat but furthest from the shooter; triple the right target and double the left target.

Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but that is what occurs to me.

Andy, I have to say, I am impressed. I've seen you shoot slow aimed fire from a static position, and you're no slouch. But that was the first time I've seen you run a drill of any kind. I'm fairly certain that I could not draw and get 5 rounds off at 2 targets that fast.

AndyC wrote:Primarily, though, I want folks to focus on their close-range, high-speed shooting skills, not their ability to scoot 'n' shoot; a lot of folks just can't scoot, for various reasons, and I don't want to exclude them from trying out for it.

Andy, I don't know if you had me in mind, but this sounds perfect for a guy like me who, among other reasons, started carrying a gun because he can't scoot. If you ever find a place to run this drill, I would be interested in trying it out.