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by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to check if a premise is 51%?
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Re: How to check if a premise is 51%?

texasjeep44 wrote:
Keith B wrote:While you are technically correct, one thing to remember is this is a 'defense to prosecution', but not a guarantee you won't be prosecuted. For example, if the prosecutor can convince the Judge or Jury that you well knew it was a 51% location when you entered, even without the sign, then you could be in hot water and be convicted of carrying in a 51% establishment.

So, I would still be very cautious if you suspicion an establishment is 51% even without the sign unless you have proof it is not.

If the establishment isn't following the law by posting their business with a 51% sign how are you to know they are a bar? If I don't post a 30.06 sign or a no tresspassing sign, or a fence or a gate, or purple paint on my property how are you to know I don't want you there.

By the same reasoning the following section will be used by judges and prosecutors only if a business is not posted and somehow they get caught with a gun. Seems they would be better served by staying home instead of going someplace that sells alcohol.
(h-1) *[as added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., HB 2300.] It is a defense to
prosecution under Subsections (b)(1), (2), and (4)-(6), and (c) that at
the time of the commission of the offense, the actor was:
(1) a judge or justice of a federal court;
(2) an active judicial officer, as defined by Section 411.201,
Government Code; or
(3) a district attorney, assistant district attorney, criminal district
attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, county attorney, or assistant
county attorney.
I doubt very seriously that the prosecutor would pursue a case against an individual when the business is clearly in violoation of the state law by not having the proper signage up.
It kinda sort depends on your behavior, doesn't it. If you walk into an unposted eatery with a bar, open carrying, and instead of choosing a table and sitting down, you belly up to the bar and start ordering beer after beer after beer, I'm pretty sure of where you'll be spending the night.

ALSO, once you see the red 51% sign, it is on YOU to leave immediately. This happened to me once. I walked into what appeared to be a restaurant, which was kind of small, and sat down at a table to order. As I craned my head around to take in the surroundings, I saw the red sign on the wall over the bar, posted kind of up in a corner near the ceiling where it wasn't readily apparent. I paid for my iced tea and left. Had I stayed, once I saw the sign, I would have been in violation.

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