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Katygunnut wrote:

Kythas wrote:

hangfour wrote:I don't know but this whole incident seems a bit 'fishy' to me. Given that my primary strategy for dealing with assault is to escape, I can't imagine that one could not evade 'pirates' on a jet ski. I wonder what the real story might be.

Apparently, they were fired upon while taking pictures of an underwater church. The husband was immediately hit in the head and the pirates missed the wife. The wife then gunned her jetski back to the U.S. side (yes, they were on the Mexican side of the lake when this happened). There are eyewitness third party accounts of the wife being pursued back to the U.S. side by a boat, but the boat broke off contact when she reached the shore.

So, if they were stationary with their attention on taking pictures of the underwater church, and were fired upon while doing so before realizing there was any danger to escape from, it sounds plausible to me.

Why in the heck would someone cross into Mexico by water, without using any type of check-point. Surely if they were close enough to the shore, they realized they were in Mexican waters, unless they thought the south shore was part of Texas (being that they were in the Rio Grande, this assumes a pretty fundamental lack of knowledge of geography).

Better question is why they were not on active / high alert while in Mexican waters. I'm at a loss as to why anyone would go remotely close to that side of the lake.

I honestly think it was nothing more than a failure to take the current border situation seriously. A lot of people go through life never imagining that bad juju can happen to them. This couple's tragic jaunt to the Mexican side of the lake to take pictures of a partially submerged church reeks of exactly that. Under any other circumstances, the submerged church would be an interesting photographic subject. I'm willing to believe that these folks simply didn't take seriously the fact that an international boundary bisects the lake. I'll bet they figured (wrongly) that as long as they stayed on the water and did not try to step on Mexican soil, they weren't breaking any laws. I'll bet they figured that the ongoing drug war on the border doesn't really affect such a remote location - which is of course stupid. I'll bet they didn't watch the news much before going on their trip.

A LOT of people are simply oblivious to the world around them, and consequently, they behave stupidly. Just because they did something stupid, doesn't mean that their motivations for doing it were suspicious. It just means that they did a stupid thing, and their stupidity reared up to bite them on the backside.

Many years ago, friends of mine and I would periodically take a 2 day motorcycle ride, about once a year or so, that would take us from Pasadena down to through San Diego, where we would pick up Campo Rd (Hwy 98), which comes within a couple of hundred yards or so of the border just about 5 miles east of Tecate, Mexico. Part of our ritual is that we would ride our bikes down the short dirt road from the highway to the border fence - which was literally nothing but a double strand barbed-wire fence like you'd see on any ranch. Just on the other side of the fence, about 25 yards into Mexico, was the ruins of an old adobe house. We'd cross the fence into Mexico and make sure the sides of that that old ruin were well "watered," if you know what I mean. Then relieved, we would cross back in the U.S., get on our bikes, and ride on. That place where we stopped and parked also had the distinction of being the southern-most point on the Pacific Crest Trail, which can be hiked all the way up to Canada. There was a post with a box on top of it, inside of which was a sign in log for hikers who were going to start hiking the trail from that point.

The point of all that is that this place was out in the middle of nowhere, and we had no serious expectation of running into any authorities or criminals, either Mexican or American. The last of those trips I made was in 1984. If I were to go back there today, I'd be darn worried about what I might run into - but not everybody is that aware of the potential implications of what they do. I think that is what happened to this guy and his wife. They just weren't using their noodles.

WildBill wrote:Another update

Mexican investigator probing lake shooting slain
By APRIL CASTRO and OLGA RODRIGUEZ – 1 hour ago

AUSTIN, Texas — A Mexican police commander investigating the disappearance of an American tourist on a border lake plagued by pirates was killed, U.S. and Mexican officials said Tuesday.

Rolando Flores, the commander of state investigators in Ciudad Miguel Aleman who was part of a group investigating the reported shooting of David Hartley, was killed, said Ruben Rios, spokesman for the Tamaulipas state prosecutor's office.

Rios said authorities "don't know how or why he was killed. We don't have any details on how he died."

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Here's the followup: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/tex ... index.html

The investigator was decapitated, and his severed head delivered to the local military office in a suitcase. Here is a provocative story from our past history, given the ongoing situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

The Pancho Villa Expedition – officially known in the United States as the Mexican Expedition[1], but sometimes referred to colloquially as the "Punitive Expedition" – was a military operation conducted by the United States Army against the paramilitary forces of Mexican insurgent Francisco "Pancho" Villa from 1916 to 1917. The expedition was in retaliation for Villa's illegal incursion into the United States and attack on the village of Columbus, Luna County, New Mexico, during the Mexican Revolution.

The official beginning and ending dates of the Mexican Expedition are March 14, 1916 and February 7, 1917.

We ought to knock down our half of the dam. That will bring the narco terrorists within rifle range.