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by The Annoyed Man
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:35 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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jimlongley wrote:
philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article ... cmpid=hpts

The suspect has renounced his citizenship. Is he still being paid?
Back in the good old days, non-citizens did not have a full set of constitutional rights. Since he has declared himself a non-citizen, then he should be shipped to Gitmo and imprisoned there in solitary confinement until the military sorts this mess out. It should only take 50 or 60 years.
Ask him what country he wants to be sent to, then take him there and push him out of a helicopter 10,000 ft up.........wrapped in flaming pork fat with a fine crust of chicharrón.

Come home. Pop a cold one.
by The Annoyed Man
Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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Beiruty wrote:
srothstein wrote:I think the court will ban the defense of others argument. It is a confession to a crime which would result in the conviction for treason. Note that in Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution it says:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
There is little doubt that the Taliban is the enemy of the US in a legal sense. It does not require a declared war, just the fact of being the enemy. Defending them by use of violence, or even without violence, would be adhering to the enemy. If he raises this defense during a trial, he has confessed in open court to treason.

Most of the time when I see people yell about treason, such as Obama or Bush doing something, it does not meet the legal definition. Behavior against the best interests of the US is not treason. Even traitorous behavior may not be treason. But defending the Taliban by use of violence is about as clear cut a case of treason as I can think of.
He can claim he was in defense of civilians not Taliban or Al-Qaeda militants terrorists. That would not put in him in Jeopardy of treason. He would claim, that with "Predator" campaign US was killing civilians as well as Terrorists. He would claim defense of Civilians only.
....Except that he has specified the Taliban in his statements....

Furthermore, that logic doesn't hunt anyway. I'm an evangelical Christian. So militant Islamist Muslims in the Sudanese government have been murdering Christian civilians in Darfur for the past 10 years. I cannot murder Muslims here in Texas because Muslims in Darfur are murdering Christians. That's not a valid defense.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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Understood. Sorry, I didn't mean to try and put in a bad position.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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E.Marquez wrote:Just for those that may not know..
Date of last military execution

On April 13, 1961, U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett was hanged after being convicted of rape and attempted murder. (R. Serrano, "Last Soldier to Die at Levenworth Hanged in an April Storm," Los Angeles Times, 7/12/94).
The death penalty by the U.S. military was reintroduced by the executive order of President Ronald Reagan in 1984.[2]

On July 28, 2008, President George W. Bush approved the execution of United States Army Private Ronald A. Gray, who had been convicted in April 1988 of multiple murders and rapes. A month later, Secretary of the Army Pete Geren set an execution date of December 10, 2008 and ordered that Gray be put to death by lethal injection at the Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute. The military publicly released Gray's execution date on November 20, 2008. On November 26, however, Gray was granted a stay of execution by federal judge Rogers. He has not yet been executed as of 2012
Thank you for the information. So who is this judge Rogers, and on what basis did he stay the execution?

I know you can't predict these things, particularly given the pretenders to governance we suffer under now, but what is your sense about this particular trial and the death penalty?
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:07 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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gigag04 wrote:Allowing /= believing
Exactly. In fact, one might even easily believe that the judge rolled his eyes while permitting that defense, knowing full well that it isn't going to go well for Hasan. In fact, Hasan himself will make the case that this was actual terrorism and not mere workplace violence as that tool in the oval office would have us believe.

I say let him try and make his case. When he's finished, the court is going to find him guilty and he's going to get the death penalty.....because HE will have made the argument himself.

Hasan had ONE avenue of escape left to him: an insanity plea. There are too many victims who survived being shot and who have clear memories of him making eye contact with them as he shot them. There are too many other witnesses who were unhurt but saw and heard everything. There is absolutely no doubt that he did the things he did, and even his defense pays heed to the fact that he did the things he did. The only defenses left to him are about his motives: A) I did it because I'm crazy; or B) what I did is entirely justifiable with the "defense of others" argument.

(A) keeps him from getting the needle (or the rope or the firing squad or whatever the military uses these days). (B) is so utterly implausible that it guarantees him the needle.

Give him the needle. It's what he wants.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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Fort Hood victims upset; suspect can question them
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130604/DA6MP48G2.html
Jun 4, 3:07 AM (ET)

By ANGELA K. BROWN

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) - Retired Staff Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford says he will never forget locking eyes with the gunman who entered a Fort Hood building Nov. 5, 2009, and then unleashed a burst of gunfire into a crowd of soldiers preparing for deployment.

Retired Staff Sgt. Shawn Manning said he saw the gunman too, before he was shot six times as he sat in the front row of chairs waiting for routine medical tests.

Now the nearly three dozen soldiers wounded in the deadly attack on the Texas Army post are facing the prospect of being approached and questioned in court by the man many witnesses have identified as the gunman: Maj. Nidal Hasan.

A military judge Monday granted Hasan's request to represent himself at his upcoming murder trial, and Hasan later hinted that he would try to justify the attack, revealing for the first time his defense strategy.

———{SNIP}———

Lunsford said he was upset and angry that the judge is allowing Hasan to question the wounded soldiers. Lunsford said he expects Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, to try to intimidate them through mind games.

"It's a battle of wits, and he's going to lose," said Lunsford, who was shot seven times and lost most of the sight in his left eye. "I was there. I saw what this man did. I'm living proof of what he did, but I survived. ... I'm not going to show any fear."
Of course, only a paranoid schizophrenic conservative would think that Hasan would use the courtroom for jihadist grandstanding..... :roll:
by The Annoyed Man
Tue May 21, 2013 5:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
Replies: 376
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fickman wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Resurrecting an old thread with a bit of new news...

Difficult to condone that this .... guy.... is still getting paid.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/21/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... -massacre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. Department of Defense officials confirmed to NBCDFW.com that Maj. Nidal Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty in the Nov. 5, 2009, shooting in Texas, citing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Jury selection in his trial is scheduled to begin May 30.
I agree that it stinks, but the rules are the rules. The only way to stop this is for the UCMJ to be modified. And I'm sure that takes a lot of time.
Over $250,000.

He stops getting paid when he's found guilty. The other way to stop is not put the trial off for four years.
Couldn't they blame not paying him on the sequestration? They've blamed everything else on it.....except for where it is Bush's fault....
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
Replies: 376
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Dragonfighter wrote:Okay, finally got to watch the Fox interview, Muslim his entire life.
Also, very Americanized. I heard the interview of his cousin, and both the shooter and the cousin have lived here their entire lives. They are an American family who happen to be Muslim. The shooter is an Army psychiatrist (go figure) who had vocally argued in the past that Muslims should rise up against the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan.

That said, the cousin was very emphatic that they were not immigrants. He had no accent himself, other than a slight drawl. And he characterized the shooter as having been a "good American" his entire life. He said his family is absolutely shocked that he did these things.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
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XtremeDuty.45 wrote:I hate to add to this but I just got word its 12 dead up to 30 wounded and 3 shooters...1 dead and 2 in custody
12 dead, and 31 wounded now. The two captured suspects are soldiers!
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:44 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
Replies: 376
Views: 52854

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FoxNews is now reporting 9 dead.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:30 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
Replies: 376
Views: 52854

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MESSNBC is reporting as of two minutes ago that 20 are wounded, and that two suspects are in custody, and that 4 SWAT officers were among the injured.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting
Replies: 376
Views: 52854

Re: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting

Sheppard Smith on FoxNews is speaking with a Killeen official, who is saying that a THIRD shooter has begun shooting at another location on the post, near the PX.

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