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by The Annoyed Man
Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:44 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Replies: 56
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Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?

boomerang wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:I see no difference in the liberal Rinos and Dems.
Frankly, I don't either. BUT... at least a Republican candidate, even a RINO candidate, has to pay lip service to conservative ideals,
The main difference is the RINOs in congress might vote against socialist and totalitarian policies if a Dem is president.
Agreed, which is why I'm willing to hold my nose and vote Republican, no matter who the candidate turns out to be. Once liberties are lost, they are extremely hard, almost impossible, to regain. Whatever one can argue about RINOs, they are likely to be incrementally less damaging to our liberties than almost any Democrat - particularly when it comes to the RKBA and CHL. I realize that there are lots of other core issues which are important to conservatives, myself included, such as abortion, national defense, etc. All of those core issues will be further damaged by a Democrat president, while there is a chance that a RINO might not want to risk alienating any further the conservative base. A Democrat president will have no mandate to serve the interests of conservatives in any way, shape, or form whatsoever, and will likely foment a Dem party rebellion if he or she tries to coexist with conservatives in any way. Yes, Senator Obama may be honest about opposing everything that conservatives believe in, but that won't be helpful in the least if you are a conservative.

As I said earlier, vote for Obama, or in any way help to ensure his (or Hillary's) election by defecting from the Republican party, and you can kiss your Texas CHL good bye. If that doesn't bother you, then by all means, help him to get elected. But I don't see how any person who 1) supports the RKBA and 2) believes that CHL is his right, can help to elect Obama and still be true to those two core issues. They are mutually exclusive propositions.

But that's just me. I tend to think in linear fashion.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Replies: 56
Views: 9337

Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?

anygunanywhere wrote:I have not decided yet and will wait to see what the ticket looks like in Nov.

Anygun
That's about all we can do, unfortunately.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:34 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Replies: 56
Views: 9337

Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?

anygunanywhere wrote:I see no difference in the liberal Rinos and Dems.
Frankly, I don't either. BUT... at least a Republican candidate, even a RINO candidate, has to pay lip service to conservative ideals, while the Democrat candidate is under no such obligation. I understand your attraction to Ron Paul, but how are you going to vote if he doesn't win the nomination?
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:22 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Replies: 56
Views: 9337

Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?

Doug.38PR wrote:Ron Paul sees the Constitution as it was originally written. He interprets it's language as the original writers did (which is the proper way to interpret any document). The other's (Democrats and Republicans)make it's language to mean whatever they want it to mean today to suit whatever they want. Republicans might talk a lot about the Constitution and State's Rights, but it is just patriotic noise and no patriotic reality.

Ron Paul gets my vote
One problem I have with Ron Paul (among others) is that, when his own self interests are involved, his pedagogy goes right out the window. He derides other Congressmen for attaching riders to spending bills, but he also has a historical record of attaching his own riders to bills that he knows will pass without his vote, and then voting against those bills so that he can maintain the appearance of ideological purity. He gets to vote against pork, AND bring pork home, all in the same vote. So he's no better than the others in that regard. I am also bothered by his cynical unwillingness to distance himself financially from white supremacists and other mouth breathers who send him money. It's not even a lot of money in terms of overall political donations he's raised to date that we're talking about. It's the idea of it. He is trying to fly in the face of the reality that we are known by the associations we keep. If he is unwilling to sever those ties, then he will be known by them, and it will cripple him if by some small chance he were to actually gain the Republican nomination. And I don't even want to go into his record in the war on terror. Let's just say that Paul shares George Soros' opinion in the matter, and Soros is a traitor to the country that helped to make him richer than Croesus.

Additionally, Paul is failing to do better than an average of about 10% +/- in the primaries, which means that he has only an infinitesimal chance of actually capturing the Republican nomination. I have spoken with literally dozens and dozens of Ron Paul supporters who say that they hate the other Republican candidates so much that they will either sit out the general election or write in Paul if he fails to get the nomination. In a general race in which the difference between the Democrat and the Republican contenders will likely boil down to a 4%-6% difference, a scenario in which 10% of Republicans bolt the party to either write in Paul or to not vote at all will result in a Democrat victory. BTW, it was reported today that, in California, the state with the single largest block of delegates to the DNC and which participates in Sooper Toozdee tomorrow, Obama has pulled ahead of Clinton.

In the meantime, this is a forum dedicated to Texas CHL rights and issues. Obama says, "National legislation [emphasis mine] will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." (David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004). Get that? A President Obama will work toward passing a national bill over-riding Texas' CHL laws, and all of you will have to surrender your CHLs and stop carrying if you wish to remain law-abiding citizens. What you worked hard to get, within the framework of the duly constituted laws of the State of Texas, will suddenly become criminalized, and there will exist a statewide database of those people to whom the licenses were issued. Good luck to you on your next traffic stop.

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
"Sir, are you aware that your CHL became void by national law 6 months ago? Are you carrying your firearm at this time? SIR!!! Get down on the ground, arms out at your side!!"

Welcome to Obama's world if you vote for Ron Paul in the general election as anything other than the Republican nominee.

...and don't expect a President Hillary Clinton to be any kinder to your concerns. So, for whatever my opinion is worth, even if an imperfect RINO gets the nomination, even if the nomination goes to a Mormon and you just can't stand that idea, even if the nomination goes to an evangelical preacher and you worry about church/state issues, and yes, even if that person turns out, however improbably, to be Ron Paul, hold your nose and vote for the Republican nominee. This is not an election where the nation can afford the luxury of "protest voting," or adopting the "I'm taking my voting toy and going home" mentality.

That's just my 2¢. I know that it's not a popular position - but political realities rarely make one popular.

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