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Multiple muzzle blasts will be giving away my "position" far more effectively than a tiny, red light.

I'm with WACO

All I can report is what was told to me by two LEO personal friends.

In both cases, an armed perp refused to put down his handgun when multiple LEO's responded to domestic calls, one in a Waffle House at 1am, another at an apartment complex.

Multiple guns were drawn and aimed at the perp.

Only when one of the LEO's trained a laser on the chest of the perp did they see Jesus, lay down their guns, and drop to their knees.

Like I said above, those may be isolated cases, but every advantage is what I'd prefer to have.

I'm 60+ years old, wear trifocals, and after carrying and practicing with sights and lasers for many years, no one here is going to convince me they don't add value and benefits to my PD guns.

Not for you and yours? Noooo problem.

Not for me and mine? Save your breath.

re: dead batteries
Only a fool would carry without fresh batteries. That's no different than forgetting to load the gun.

Chris wrote:I know many guys who have been in gunfights. None of them even remember seeing their gun sights. I can't imagine trying to look for a small dot. It's one thing to point it at paper, and altogether another to point it at someone actively trying to kill you.

Dave Grossman has some interesting input on that phenomenon.

Although under high stress many warriors don't remember seeing or hearing something, that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't actually see or hear it.

And properly trained, one doesn't look for a small dot, the small dot naturally follows one's eyes to the center of the target.

And, finally, a visible laser dot can be a deterrent to all but the most out-of-control perps. (Not a primary support for laser use, but every little bit may help.)

I know personally of two, local LEO incidents where an armed and agitate perp saw Jesus in the form of a laser on his chest and became very passive.

We have them on all our PD guns.

We train with the sights.

What ends up happening is the laser follows our eyes rather than our eyes following the laser.

While not for everyone they fit out needs well.

We both wear corrective lenses and don't see well in the dark.

For close-range PD shooting, we end up point shooting anyway.

Primary carry gun with CT grips


BUG with CT grips (can you say "limited sight plane"?)