It is not about the wad penetrating the victim. Many victims have been killed by blunt force trauma with objects that never penetrate the victim. The fact is that direction of travel or wads, shotcups, etc. cannot be accurately predicted.
With all due respect to TAMs experience, being struck in the head with a piece of plastic moving 1600 fps can cause serious bodily injury or death. Yes it may be a one in a million type of thing, but there is still a risk of it happening and that has to be factored in.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
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- Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:39 am
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: Straight talk about shotguns
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- Thu May 07, 2015 9:15 pm
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: Straight talk about shotguns
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Re: Straight talk about shotguns
A few points to ponder on doing the hostage rescue/head shot with a shotgun.
Even with extensive testing of a particular buckshot or slug load in a particular shotgun, the flight of all of the components of a buckshot or slug round, even at close range, cannot be 100% predicted.
Unlike a rifle or handgun that shoots one single projectile, the buckshot or slug round contains not only the payload, but the wadding and/or shot cup that flies through the air immediately after or with the projectile. Even with tight patterning buckshot or a slug, the flight of the wadding and/or shot cup can fly in a drastically different manner once it hits the air. This could result in serious bodily injury or even death when the wadding or shot cup, some of which are hard plastic or fiber and traveling at 1600 fps, strikes the hostage instead of striking the hostage taker along with the buckshot or slug.
Even with being a Peace Officer for 20 years, being a Firearms Instructor both privately and for my agency, shooting the shotgun on a weekly basis with 99% of that shooting being with buckshot and slugs, I will not take a hostage rescue shot with a shotgun unless no reasonable alternative exists.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Even with extensive testing of a particular buckshot or slug load in a particular shotgun, the flight of all of the components of a buckshot or slug round, even at close range, cannot be 100% predicted.
Unlike a rifle or handgun that shoots one single projectile, the buckshot or slug round contains not only the payload, but the wadding and/or shot cup that flies through the air immediately after or with the projectile. Even with tight patterning buckshot or a slug, the flight of the wadding and/or shot cup can fly in a drastically different manner once it hits the air. This could result in serious bodily injury or even death when the wadding or shot cup, some of which are hard plastic or fiber and traveling at 1600 fps, strikes the hostage instead of striking the hostage taker along with the buckshot or slug.
Even with being a Peace Officer for 20 years, being a Firearms Instructor both privately and for my agency, shooting the shotgun on a weekly basis with 99% of that shooting being with buckshot and slugs, I will not take a hostage rescue shot with a shotgun unless no reasonable alternative exists.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
- Tue May 05, 2015 1:12 pm
- Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
- Topic: Straight talk about shotguns
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Re: Straight talk about shotguns
The Versatite Wad and the Flitecontrol Wad are the same wad, invented by the same guy, who is now really rich from double dipping on the royalties.
Winchester has come out with a knock-off of the Flitecontrol/Versatite that is used in the Razor Boar XT Buckshot Load. In my tests it does not pattern as tight as the Flitecontrol/Versatite Wad and costs more per round. Bought one box, shot it, won't buy more.
At household ranges any 00 Buckshot will work fine for defense. If the fight goes outside the home use one of the Flitecontrol Buckshot Loads or just switch to a Slug.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Winchester has come out with a knock-off of the Flitecontrol/Versatite that is used in the Razor Boar XT Buckshot Load. In my tests it does not pattern as tight as the Flitecontrol/Versatite Wad and costs more per round. Bought one box, shot it, won't buy more.
At household ranges any 00 Buckshot will work fine for defense. If the fight goes outside the home use one of the Flitecontrol Buckshot Loads or just switch to a Slug.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr