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txinvestigator wrote:

atxgun wrote:Interesting thing, I asked the same question I had posted a topic on here before: Is verbal disclosure failure to conceal. The consensus here seemed to be that it wasn't. He didn't even hesitate to say that it was and was cause for revocation. I didn't want to waste class time saying "well, i read on the internet..." and as it would be stupid to do so anyway I just left it at that.

Texas Penal Code
§ 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.


Texas Government Code
§ 411.171. DEFINITIONS

(3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence
of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a
reasonable person.

Now you have seen the actual law. ;)

Well TXI, I don't see where it limits observation to "visual observation". An ordinary personal observing with their ears would make the presence of your handgun openly discernible if you said "I am carrying". Every dictionary definition I look at doesn't limit "observing" to your eyes but says "with the senses". Maybe the law defines what "observation" means for them.

Again either way I don't think I'll test this one in practice :)

Oh I also meant to say, as a whole I enjoyed the class. The instructor was very easy to pay attention to and offered good scenarios. chl-texas.com gets my 2 thumbs up.

Just got back. It was pretty much a full 12 hours. I did horribly! but passed. I only got a 236 on the shooting, I started out good but then had some bad shot and that got me nervous about messing up and so my accuracy snowballed downhill. It got so bad I had a couple completely out of the shilloute & missed one completely. In between the second and third segment the rangemaster spent a good minute looking over my target and came back to give me shooting advice, it was pretty embarrassing and that certainly didn't help my confidence. I mean if that was like my first time shooting I wouldn't care just that I know I'm better than that. Oh and the rangemaster was cracking to jokes about how "he's seen tighter patterns on shotguns" and "at least they'll be easy to score". I thought that was kind of rude to say in front of the class.

So biblefreak, the XD was great, but I choked :)

I missed 4 on the written exam! I was sure I had nailed it. There was one of those "except" questions I messed up. Another I realized I had just misread the question completely. Another I missed thinking it was a 90 way suspension instead of a 30. The last was toward the end which I knew but changed my answer last minutes b/c I was convinced it was trying to be a trick question some how :)

Interesting thing, I asked the same question I had posted a topic on here before: Is verbal disclosure failure to conceal. The consensus here seemed to be that it wasn't. He didn't even hesitate to say that it was and was cause for revocation. I didn't want to waste class time saying "well, i read on the internet..." and as it would be stupid to do so anyway I just left it at that.

He also talked about illegal 30.06 signs and other things like that since apparently a bunch of austin city buildings and schools have them, despite being in violation of the law. His take on it was just wait until the courts straighten them out so you don't have to be the case law setting the precedent straight.

Sadly enough I didn't get to come back w/ a good "class idiot" story
(Well unless you count my bad marksmanship )

My brain is so fried though from sitting through that all day I think i'll wait until another day to completely my address history and what not.

Yeah I am a little worried about staying awake. I'm not used to having to be somewhere at 8 AM and keep going for 12 hours :) I plan to take a unisom early this evening so i can get plenty of rest and have time to wake up, eat some breakfast and chug a red bull.

...no, I haven't got my plastic but I take the class tomorrow. Just got a reminder call from the instructor. I'm pretty confident after spending time around here but I still have a little bit of that anxiety like I have a final exam tomorrow or something

I'll be going to the range shortly for some warm up exercises.

Any last minute advice ?