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flechero wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:57 am

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:27 am Sorry I'm going to Target (which by the way has said nothing about carry in their stores AFAIK).

Actually- Target was the first to request "no guns" [oc or cc] by the ceo, back when all the oc protesting was going on! That's also about the time the announced that you could use the restroom of the gender you "identified" with, regardless of anatomy.

target is actually worse than wm.

Thanks for the info. Since it’s been 5 years and they haven’t posted any signs I’ll just keep CCing there and at WalMart and Starbucks

imkopaka wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:44 pm

RPBrown wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:07 am I know that in prior topics it was said that we have effectively been given oral notice about OC at Walmart. However, nothing was stated about Sams Club. I went to the local ((to me) Samss yesterday, saw no signs so I OC’d and not a word was said to me about it

I disagree about the oral notice. There is nothing in law that suggests such blanket statements can be used as oral notice. If they could, a whole lot more license holders would be facing charges right now. The text of the law does not support this, nor does its application so far provide precedent for it.

Yes. Let's look at the exact wording of the law:

PC §30.07. TRESPASS BY LICENSE HOLDER WITH AN OPENLY CARRIED
HANDGUN.
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) openly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that entry on the property by a license holder openly
carrying a handgun was forbidden.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the
property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice
to the person by oral or written communication.
...

Provides notice TO THE PERSON...

Somebody on an internet board told me... that the WalMart CEO said... that WalMart doesn't want people to carry guns openly in their stores...

Maybe I caught the end of his interview on TV on MSLSD where he said that... or maybe I didn't. Did you? (rhetorical). Also, let's be practical. Many of us have heard reports that Wal-Mart doesn't want open carry in it's stores. IMO that does not qualify as receiving oral notice under 30.07 that entry onto the property (of any given Texas Wal-Mart) by a license holder openly carrying a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H Chapter 411...is forbidden.

So say I go to my Wal-Mart neighborhood market today and open carry. Is the manager going to call the police, have them arrive, and then demand that they give me a ticket for violating TXPC 30.07, because the CEO gave me oral notice? OK let's say I get the ticket. I'll go to JP court, and tell the prosecutor that I didn't receive notice and he can't prove I did, so he should drop the case. If he doesn't I'll ask for a jury trial and have him present his proof beyond a reasonable doubt that I received notice. OR I could raise the Defense that I am a Volunteer Emergency Response Person (VERP). But let's just say I'm not, I still didn't receive notice. Now I always conceal and carry at places where I have a suspicion that they do not want open carry, but they at least owe it to us to post the signs if they REALLY object to open carry.

RicoTX wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:14 am I always tell people that Walmart could not have put mom and pop shops out of business without people shopping there instead of the mom and pop businesses. Walmart didn't do it, we all did!

Not to mention that the reason that people shop at wal mart and target and big box stores is that "mom and pop were gouging you so they could live in the biggest house in town". If we're going to go with cliches, lets get them all out on the table. Home Depot and Lowes have better prices, a way bigger selection, way more buying power with large producers, etc. Until we all go back to buying our lumber at Paw Walton's saw mill and groceries at the single town "general store", we're all blowing smoke. Is it really bad to buy your toilet paper at the lowest price at WalMart vs. the local street vendor or "tienda" at a 50% markup? Sorry I'm going to Target (which by the way has said nothing about carry in their stores AFAIK).

And on a side note, I am an (partial) owner of WalMart (i.e. shareholder). I want all of you to carry in WalMart stores in accordance with state law. I don't care what my weak kneed leftist CEO says. Carry away. In the great 180+ year Texas tradition of respect for private property owner's rights, you should listen to me, an owner, when I tell you to carry. Until my fellow owners make their wishes known through a shareholder resolution or vote at the annual meeting, you have my guidance.