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by ScottDLS
Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:27 pm
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Topic: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump
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Re: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump

bigtek wrote:
4WG 2WB wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:It's a class A in Texas and as long as the law exists LEOs will enforce it.
I wonder if any of them will arrest a NFL players for disorderly conduct if they refuse to stand during the national anthem.
That's a good question. It's easy work rousting scrawny kids and geriatric flag burners. When Colin Kaepernick "intentionally" takes a knee during the national anthem, he knows full well it's "an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace" in America, especially in Texas.
There's no way this rises to the level of an "immediate breach of the peace". Kaepernick's idiocy is protected speech/expression, just like flag burning. You can't have police going around arresting people for taking an unpopular or even racist position... Maybe my public denial of man made climate change tends to incite an immediate breech of the peace in Austin, but I don't expect to get arrested for it. :nono:
by ScottDLS
Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:19 pm
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Topic: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump
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Re: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump

nightmare69 wrote: ...
Our dept policy is, if it's in the Penal Code then we can enforce it. Until the FBI comes to our Dept and says we can't I'll continue to follow the current dept policy.
Interesting policy that presumably allows you to ignore Federal and State court injunctions against enforcing a law "as long as it's still in the Penal Code". Especially since the Legislature meets only every two years. :evil2:
by ScottDLS
Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:56 am
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Topic: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump
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Re: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump

nightmare69 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote: ...

it's not a LEO's job to defy the orders of a Federal court, by enforcing a law that is ruled unconstitutional, whether the Legislature gets around to repealing it or not. This has been clear precedent for over 200 years. Do you still arrest homosexuals for sodomy, or did the legislature get rid of that one after Lawrence? :rules:
Should local LEOs arrest anyone using marijuana in states that legalized it since it's still illegal under federal law? We let the Feds handle their vast matrix of laws they created and only a team of lawyers can interpret. My license says Texas, not US.

If I see a couple having sex in public yes I will arrest for lewd conduct.
You're missing my point here. Earlier you stated that you would arrest someone engaging in Constitutionally protected speech, because there remains a Texas law against flag burning. This in defiance of a Federal court (SCOTUS) ruling that flag burning is protected speech. This is a good way to lose a Federal lawsuit as well as (possibly) end up in federal prison on a civil rights conviction. Is it the policy of your department to defy Federal court rulings that you don't like, or was this you speaking as an individual? :shock:

In Lawrence vs. Texas (2003) LEO's in Texas served a warrant on the wrong location (imagine that...), in the process of serving the (illegal?) warrant, they observed two men privately engaged in an "act" prohibited by Texas law. They arrested the men for violation of the Texas sodomy statute. SCOTUS ruled (wrongly, in my opinion) that the Texas statute was unconstitutional and that like abortion, the conduct was protected by the men's right to privacy. Assuming that this statute is still on the books, is it the policy of your department to arrest people for this private conduct? Even in defiance of the SCOTUS ruling that the statute is invalid?

Finally, there is a Texas law against possessing marijuana, so you can arrest someone for that. There's a federal law even in Colorado against marijuana...depending on state law LEO's in CO may still arrest someone for violating Federal law, but they then have to turn them over to the US Attorney to prosecute. Feds cannot force state LEO's to enforce Federal law, but they CAN prohibit them from violating Federal law by enforcing an illegal State statute.

PS:
Trump has some autocratic tendencies. I voted for him anyway because he's way better than Hillary. However, it's disturbing to see him state that he would make flag burning illegal, even though it has already been ruled protected speech. Now if he said he was going to appoint judges and justices that would apply the Constitution, and he believes that the Constitution doesn't protect flag burning...well that might be better, though I still disagree. Maybe he said that, I didn't hear his remarks on the issue.
by ScottDLS
Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:20 pm
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Topic: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump
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Views: 19665

Re: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump

nightmare69 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
4WG 2WB wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:It's a class A in Texas and as long as the law exists LEOs will enforce it.
I wonder if any of them will arrest a NFL players for disorderly conduct if they refuse to stand during the national anthem.
No law says you shall stand durning the pledge of allegiance. There is a law against burning a flag in the Texas Penal Code.

TPC: Sec. 42.11. DESTRUCTION OF FLAG. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly damages, defaces, mutilates, or burns the flag of the United States or the State of Texas. ... (d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
Will their department defend them against the inevitable Federal civil rights lawsuit for arresting someone for Constitutionally protected speech? Does Texas enforce a law against sodomy after losing Lawrence vs. Texas in 2003?

Can we please prohibit abortion in the 2017 session? While we're ignoring precedent, let's legalize machine guns for private use. All these are arguably Constitutional, but that's my opinion not the Supreme Court's... Start ignoring Federal courts and it may not go your way when a different party is in power... :rules:
It's not an LEOs job to pick and choose which laws to enforce. They enforce the laws that are passed by our legislature. You have a problem with a specific law take it up with them. I see someone burning a flag while in duty I'll arrest said person as the law allows me to do so. Then it's up to the courts to decide to pursue charges.
it's not a LEO's job to defy the orders of a Federal court, by enforcing a law that is ruled unconstitutional, whether the Legislature gets around to repealing it or not. This has been clear precedent for over 200 years. Do you still arrest homosexuals for sodomy, or did the legislature get rid of that one after Lawrence? :rules:
by ScottDLS
Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:40 pm
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Topic: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump
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Views: 19665

Re: FLAG burning being challenged by Trump

nightmare69 wrote:
4WG 2WB wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:It's a class A in Texas and as long as the law exists LEOs will enforce it.
I wonder if any of them will arrest a NFL players for disorderly conduct if they refuse to stand during the national anthem.
No law says you shall stand durning the pledge of allegiance. There is a law against burning a flag in the Texas Penal Code.

TPC: Sec. 42.11. DESTRUCTION OF FLAG. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly damages, defaces, mutilates, or burns the flag of the United States or the State of Texas. ... (d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
Will their department defend them against the inevitable Federal civil rights lawsuit for arresting someone for Constitutionally protected speech? Does Texas enforce a law against sodomy after losing Lawrence vs. Texas in 2003?

Can we please prohibit abortion in the 2017 session? While we're ignoring precedent, let's legalize machine guns for private use. All these are arguably Constitutional, but that's my opinion not the Supreme Court's... Start ignoring Federal courts and it may not go your way when a different party is in power... :rules:

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