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by ScottDLS
Sun May 14, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees
Replies: 190
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Re: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees

:iagree:

I made this point a couple years ago to a college student who posted about the cost and couldn't qualify for the indigent discount. And i got attacked for it. If you can't come up with the $140 then you really should focus on other priorities before getting a gun.

i'm glad they lowered the fee and think it makes sense. It shouldn't cost more than a drivers license, but that doesn't mean the world owes everyone a car. :rules:
by ScottDLS
Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees
Replies: 190
Views: 77534

Re: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Scott Farkus wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I understand your point, but we are dealing with a constitutional right. If the Legislature feels that the licensing law should exist for public safety reasons, then the cost should be born by the general public. The cost of voter registration is born by the public and voting is also a constitutional right.

Chas.
Agreed, and I'm not arguing for or against constitutional carry because I understand the political realities, but isn't that very close to an argument for constitutional carry?
No. There's nothing more fundamental to our form of government than the right to vote. There's no fee to vote, but one must register to vote and a background check is done before issuing the voter registration card and putting you on the eligible voter role. (Convicted felons cannot vote.) I think this should be the procedure for getting an LTC.

People have taken to the term "constitutional carry" for political reasons, but the SCOTUS has stated in Heller that licensing is constitutional. Yes, it was dicta, but I don't see a future court striking down all licensing statutes.



My opinion on the state shouldering the cost of the background check, issuing the license, etc. is not limited to LTCs. I think the cost of any procedural requirement placed on citizens should be paid by the state, when the motive for the procedure is public safety. If the population as a whole benefits, then the population should bear the cost.

Chas.

Does the state really do a background check for voter registration? Given the incredibly lax requirements for voter registration, I imagine it wouldn't be too extensive. I registered to vote in Texas in 1990 and I don't recall anything other than filling out a paper form/affidavit and mailing it in. I would think that there would be a lot of legitimate voters with common names getting rejected over confusion with felons and I've never heard of that.
by ScottDLS
Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:49 pm
Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees
Replies: 190
Views: 77534

Re: SB 16 - priority bill, reduction of LTC fees

mr1337 wrote:Of course, this bill doesn't impact most of us as much as it impacts those who don't have their LTC yet and don't have a lot of money to get their LTC. High fees impacts low class families in their ability to exercise their rights. (Poll tax, anyone?) I ultimately want to see both the elimination of gun free zones and the reduction/elimination of LTC fees, but this will get more people on our side to help push future legislative goals.

If I were given a choice between the two, I would still choose elimination of gun free zones, but this one isn't that far behind. Hopefully we won't have to choose and get the best of both worlds.
I agree with you this is like a poll tax. So are other hindrances like taxes and fingerprint fees and other hurdles that some states even put up for buying a gun. While I'm more anxious to see fewer gun free zones, this bill is still a step toward making a constitutional right easier to exercise. Especially helpful for law abiding poor people. That's why I don't want to "common sense reforms" like universal background checks. This is really a forcing mechanism to start pushing all sales through FFL. Leftists don't like intrastate sales between private individuals, because they are cheap and anonymous.

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