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Bitter Clinger wrote:How's this make you feel?

Accused Somali war criminal found working as DC airport security guard

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/ac ... tcmp=hpbt4

Probably guilty, but has anybody pointed out that these are only allegations right now. I mean if I just say you're a war criminal, then should you automatically lose your job and your LTC?

On the flip side how the heck did he pass the check for a green card if he's got this past. didn't Canada kick him him out? Why did we take him? Maybe he crossed the Rio Grande and said he was Guatamalan....

Sure I did. I was just under the apparent misapprehension that the topic under discussion was TSA, a particular aspect of security with which your post had nothing to do.

We have a republic for a reason. It's better for liberty. Each state currently DOES handle the physical security of airports with the Feds providing the standards by which they must operate. That's why DFW Police patrol the terminal instead of the FBI or Marshals. Until 2002 that's how it was for screening. There was no federal standards against taking box cutters on a plane, and even if there was, it's more likely TSA would miss them than MASSPORT or airline rent-a-cop.

Relates to TSA.....

10 minutes more than the interview for a LTC...

JALLEN wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:

JALLEN wrote:As big a fiasco as it has become, quite predictably, letting each airport handle security, or each state, would be worse. With people traveling all over the place, state to state, there is some comfort, considerable value, in uniformity.

Look how much we suffer because each state has their own notions about carrying a firearm. Oversight, carelessness, events beyond your control like diverting to New Jersey, and you end up in jail, a felon.

The attitude and methods used by El Al might be scaled up.

We have a republic for a reason. It's better for liberty. Each state currently DOES handle the physical security of airports with the Feds providing the standards by which they must operate. That's why DFW Police patrol the terminal instead of the FBI or Marshals. Until 2002 that's how it was for screening. There was no federal standards against taking box cutters on a plane, and even if there was, it's more likely TSA would miss them than MASSPORT or airline rent-a-cop.

If that is so, why are we griping about the TSA? Each state does not handle security; that's what TSA does, exceptionally poorly.

You didn't read my post. Who handles physical security of airports, patrols the terminals, the grounds, the secure areas? State and local police. TSA only does passenger screening. They are not even Peace Officers or Special Agents, they're not armed, and they don't even have any authority to arrest people. There are a few sworn DHS agents that work with TSA, but only a tiny percentage. It's not even illegal under federal law to carry weapons in terminals, or private aircraft, only scheduled passenger transportation. That's why when they catch somebody carrying in DFW, they don't turn them over to the Marshals or FBI, or DHS, they prosecute them in Tarrant County court. Feds can generally only civilly fine you or put you on the no-fly list.

JALLEN wrote:As big a fiasco as it has become, quite predictably, letting each airport handle security, or each state, would be worse. With people traveling all over the place, state to state, there is some comfort, considerable value, in uniformity.

Look how much we suffer because each state has their own notions about carrying a firearm. Oversight, carelessness, events beyond your control like diverting to New Jersey, and you end up in jail, a felon.

The attitude and methods used by El Al might be scaled up.

We have a republic for a reason. It's better for liberty. Each state currently DOES handle the physical security of airports with the Feds providing the standards by which they must operate. That's why DFW Police patrol the terminal instead of the FBI or Marshals. Until 2002 that's how it was for screening. There was no federal standards against taking box cutters on a plane, and even if there was, it's more likely TSA would miss them than MASSPORT or airline rent-a-cop.

Pawpaw wrote:The TSA does not need to be abolished, but they need to be forced to change their ways.

I would love to see congress mandate that they send a team to Israel to study and then implement their protocols. No country on the planet faces the number of threats the Israelis do and they have airport security down to a science. Their methods are about 1,000 times better than what we have and the passengers are not put through the wringer and treated like dirt.

There was never any reason to federalize airport security after 9/11, especially in a nation as large as the US. I'd still rather have MASSPORT/Mass State Police running the checkpoints at Logan than the TSA. Physical security of airports is still a state responsibility and the airlines have already adopted the federal standards for cockpit doors, cabin security, etc. The Feds can stick to staffing Sky Marshals and vetting armed pilots, without another bureaucracy of "Thousands Standing Around". The Democrats insisted on federalizing airport security after 9/11 because they had their eye on thousands more dues paying public union members funding campaign checks and lobbying on behalf of more government. Their not unionized yet...but just wait.

Israel has a great system, but they also are a tiny country with about 100th the air traffic of the US, and facing more significant threats.

Solaris wrote:

rotor wrote:Long lines at the airports seem to be the big problem this summer. The government allows people to apply for pre-screening through various programs. Apparently these get you to a faster line that doesn't take as long to get through. When I was an active pilot I had to have a TSA pass to get to my plane which was on a secured airport but it wasn't usable at a commercial airport TSA checkin. Why not some legislation that gets LTC holders through the pre-screened line. They have already been vetted, they have photo ID and they can be rapidly screened to make sure they didn't forget their firearms on their body or carry on bags. Apparently we can enter the Capital building in Austin armed as long as we have an LTC. We ought to be able to get through a TSA line faster.

Politics aside, not all LTC/CCW folks are vetted. So it would be a nightmare to determine which state permits are valid and which are not. Same reasons cops cannot just flash their badge and pass through.

Also they vet for different things. Right now our Texas driver's licenses don't even meet the new federal (real ID) standard, though we have a waiver for a few more years.

Additionally, like most things federal the TSA is a hopeless bureaucracy. Hand it back to the states & airlines, like before 9/11. Or suffer more security theater so we can pretend we're safe.