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puma guy wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Presume you mean New York City here. There are 19 million people in New York State and there are around 1.2 million registered handguns. That would seem to indicate in the 500k+ range of permits.

Scott I stand corrected. The number of permits quoted was New York City only and should be adjusted against New York City population of 8.4 million. Still very few permits in the five boroughs. NY State population of 19.5 million is correct per Quick Check Fact on US Census site. It's interesting to note one of the permit holders is none other than Senator Charles Schumer. My grandfather who was a NYPD Detective had to give up his handgun when he retired in the 40's. He did have a little .25 ACP Colt, but I have no idea if it was registered. I'm interested in your stats. I can't find any numbers for the number of permits for NY State.

I got the number of handguns off the New York State Police web site.

puma guy wrote: Sad but true. Since 1911 handguns have been illegal in NY w/o permits. Your chance of getting one is virtually nil. The latest statistics I could find indicated 30,000 permits of which all but 8,000 were retired law enforcement. Less than .041 percent of "civilian" permits in the general population. NY pop estimate 2009 of 19,541,453. Irealize the percentage is skewed as 100% of the population is taken into consideration without regard to age, legal status, etc., but you can get the picture. It will be interesting to see what effect the 2A decision by the SCOTUS has if they rule it applies to states.

Presume you mean New York City here. There are 19 million people in New York State and there are around 1.2 million registered handguns. That would seem to indicate in the 500k+ range of permits.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:mroletta:

IANAL, but IIRC there was a case where a CT resident
traveled into NYS with his pistol in his car.

He was arrested by NYS LEO's.

Although CT may be a little easier place to get a CHL,
if you have to travel to work in NYS, I think you'll still
have to leave the gun at home in CT.

YMMV. Good luck.

SIA

Right. CT permit is not valid in NY. But mroletta said his wife was working in NY. He can stay in CT and carry away...

92f-fan wrote:20 + years experience living in Upstate NY. I have hundreds of relatives still there most of whom are hunters, AFAIK NONE have CCW permits, some have applied.
The few that know I have a carry permit are in awe. Many have never even shot a pistol. These are people that live in Farm Country.

I sold my handguns the last time I was forced to move back there, since the ONLY way you will get a license to possess/carry in most of NY is to be family of the Police Chief.
If I had it to do again I would have just locked them in a case and told NO one about them and planned on NEVER using them in state.

All the woulda coulda shoulda stuff means NOTHING unless its coming from someone that lives in your future town and HAS a carry license. Even then, how long was that person a RESIDENT before he was issued a license ? Average is WELL over 5 years. How much did it cost in fees and "lubrication" ? The statute and the practice are 2 different things.

Having said all that I take my CCW with me on my annual drive to Upstate NY.
The reason I carry is for protection while traveling in most of the southern states that have reciprocity. The gun is locked in a case in the trunk while in NY.
I takes my chances ....

I hesitated to bring this up because I haven't been a resident of New York for 22 years, but I do have friends who still live there. I applied for a handgun license in NY in 1987, when I was 21. This was right around when Florida was starting the "shall issue" movement in the bigger states. Anyway, young punk college student me, went down to the county office and got the handgun license app. I intended to apply for an unrestricted carry license. The clerk told me... "Fill it out, get your 5 personal references, and state your reason for applying, and you will get your restricted target/hunting permit in about 6 months." Six months! I'm going to be graduated and commissioned officer in the USN and out of NY. So I let the thing drop.

But here's the thing...in NYS there is only a "handgun license". You must have one to own/possess a handgun in the state. Outside of New York City though, if you meet the basic criteria, the judge will almost always issue you a license. I think they are afraid that if they try to do a Chicago or (pre-Heller) DC, they'll end up with looser laws by court decision.

Anyway, the dirty little secret in NYS handgun licenses is that the "restrictions" (like target/hunting only) put on licenses are not enforceable by criminal law. Basically if you're CCW'ing with your target/hunting license, you are not prosecutable under NYS criminal law. Now here's the problem... If you're "made" carrying in violation of the restrictions that the issuing judge put on your license... the cops will tell the judge, and he/she will not be amused. The issuing authority (judge) has the right to revoke your handgun license "without cause". Therefore, if you carry in violation of the restrictions on your NYS handgun license, you run the risk of not being able to possess a handgun in the state at all...anywhere.

I didn't want to muddle the answer for the original poster, but I thought I'd put out this info for folks interested in NY carry permits. One of my buddies from college came to visit me last summer from NY and I was impressed to see his "unrestricted" NYS permit. We went to the range here in Dallas and put some holes in paper. He didn't have his carry guns with him, but I pointed out that if he did, his NYS permit is honored by Texas. He was very impressed to shoot some of my National Firearms Act (NFA) restricted machine guns that are "may obtain" in Texas, but completely illegal in NY.

ScottDLS wrote:

mroletta wrote:Hi folks, I had some quick questions and I was hoping someone here could provide the answer/insight.

I received my TX CCW not too long ago (hooray), but unfortunately recently found that I'll be required to move to NY in about half a year. My question is regarding the process/instruction of what to do regarding my TX CCW. I'll inform the DPS of my new addres, but I'm curious if it will invalidate my TX CCW because I will now be a non-resident? If it stays active, do I still have the same reciprocity that the CCW naturally carries? Does anyone know the process that I would need to go through for renewal at the 5 year mark? Would it switch to non-resident CCW? Any input that one could give would be appreciated.

Thanks!

When you move to NY you can just file change of address w/ the TX DPS for your CHL and it will become a non-resident one. The bad news is when you renew, you have to take the class in Texas.

Further bad news is, you can't take your handguns with you to NY. You have to first move there, get a New York State handgun license, then ship them to a FFL in New York... Use your NY license to pick up the gun from the dealer, and then register them with the county to have the serial numbers added to your NY license. You can't own a handgun in New York without a license and having it registered and added to your permit. When you first get your permit, it will probably have a target/premises restriction, meaning you are not supposed to carry it except to and from the range/home. Depending on the county, you may be able to get an unrestricted carry permit after you've been there for a while. If you are moving to New York City, forget it.

Also no post-1994 magazines over 10 rounds. New York State's "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon" ban parallels the original federal ban, but never expires.

Good news...if you do get a NY carry permit, it is valid in Texas.

I did some additional research and it appears that you can skip the FFL when registering handguns that you obtained/owned out of state, but you still have to get a license first (takes 6 months in many counties). Friends of mine in NY tell me target/hunting restricted licenses are virtually "shall issue" in most counties, except in New York City where the state allows them to have their own licensing regime (which is much stricter). There are some counties up-state where unrestricted carry permits are pretty much shall issue if you follow the judge's training requirements (judges are the issuing authority).

My recommendation. Live in CT. It's shall issue by court decision (though not technically by statute).

mroletta wrote:Hi folks, I had some quick questions and I was hoping someone here could provide the answer/insight.

I received my TX CCW not too long ago (hooray), but unfortunately recently found that I'll be required to move to NY in about half a year. My question is regarding the process/instruction of what to do regarding my TX CCW. I'll inform the DPS of my new addres, but I'm curious if it will invalidate my TX CCW because I will now be a non-resident? If it stays active, do I still have the same reciprocity that the CCW naturally carries? Does anyone know the process that I would need to go through for renewal at the 5 year mark? Would it switch to non-resident CCW? Any input that one could give would be appreciated.

Thanks!

When you move to NY you can just file change of address w/ the TX DPS for your CHL and it will become a non-resident one. The bad news is when you renew, you have to take the class in Texas.

Further bad news is, you can't take your handguns with you to NY. You have to first move there, get a New York State handgun license, then ship them to a FFL in New York... Use your NY license to pick up the gun from the dealer, and then register them with the county to have the serial numbers added to your NY license. You can't own a handgun in New York without a license and having it registered and added to your permit. When you first get your permit, it will probably have a target/premises restriction, meaning you are not supposed to carry it except to and from the range/home. Depending on the county, you may be able to get an unrestricted carry permit after you've been there for a while. If you are moving to New York City, forget it.

Also no post-1994 magazines over 10 rounds. New York State's "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon" ban parallels the original federal ban, but never expires.

Good news...if you do get a NY carry permit, it is valid in Texas.