Before WalMart went all woke and stopped selling popular calibers, I used to buy the Winchester White Box 9mm and .45auto bulk packs. When prices were low, I used to by 500rd or 1000rd cases of 9mm and .223, mostly Wolf steel case from Ammoman.com . Now if I see any 5.56 or 9mm at Academy, I buy 4 boxes (usually the limit).Jose_in_Dallas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:50 pm How many of you guys buy your ammo in bulk online? I can't remember the last time I went to a brick and mortar store to buy ammo. Actually I take that back, I bought 3 boxes of some Aguilla .22 trying to figure out what feeds good in my Ruger LCP II.
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- Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:05 pm
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- Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:13 am
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Re: Why are ammo manufacturers so bearish about investment?
9mm not bad either. I buy the steel case stuff if I want bulk to shoot my machine guns and to prepare for the zombie apocalypse which is surely coming (have you heard about the Omega variant? It's worse than the current India variant. )Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 amI just did a search. Limiting it to brass case only, I see alot of retailers selling 5.56 for .50 to .55 per round, and .223 for .445 to .49 per round. So yes, right in line with your numbers.ScottDLS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:34 amGo over to ammoseek and you can find case quantities of .223 for $390 and 5.56 for $500. Prices are slowly starting to come down. I don't know if we'll see <$300 any time.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:32 am One thing seems certain……now that sellers have gotten buyers used to seeing $800-$900/1000 rounds of .223/5.56 (for instance), it seems improbable that it will ever go back down below $400-$500/1000. I sincerely hope I’m wrong. I’ve been used to paying $300 +/- per 1000.
Personally, I could always find ammo somewhere. It's just that the price was close to $1.00 a round for a while there.
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If I'm shooting for accuracy or honing my special operator skills, then I buy a couple boxes at the range. When you're a SpecOperator operating operationally in the tactical jungle that is Flower Mound, TX, you have to hone your skills to a razor edge. Wolf and Tula just won't cut it.
- Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:34 am
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Go over to ammoseek and you can find case quantities of .223 for $390 and 5.56 for $500. Prices are slowly starting to come down. I don't know if we'll see <$300 any time.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:32 am One thing seems certain……now that sellers have gotten buyers used to seeing $800-$900/1000 rounds of .223/5.56 (for instance), it seems improbable that it will ever go back down below $400-$500/1000. I sincerely hope I’m wrong. I’ve been used to paying $300 +/- per 1000.
- Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:55 pm
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Re: Why are ammo manufacturers so bearish about investment?
A full scope ammunition manufacturing plant is no small investment. Your talking about taking metal billet brass or steel, melting it, forming and extruding it to various case specifications. Large scale chemical (propellant and priming) handling which are hazmat materials. You've got bullet forming and coating, for multiple calibers, etc. It's not something the Lennox Air Conditioner plant in Stuttgart, AR can just shift their sheet metal bending operation to on a whim (used to work for LennoxAlaskanInTexas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:41 am I could be wrong, but it seems that we have been in an almost perpetual state of ammunition shortages and high prices. We talk in terms of the 2020 shortage, but I can't think of a time in recent memory where ammo was fully stocked and reasonably priced for any meaningful length of time. It's been one shortage after another without really catching up in between.
According to my research, most manufacturers say that it is a demand side issue - lots of new gun owners, panic buying, etc. They are addressing it by running factories 24/7, working employees ragged, and maybe occasionally adding a new facility or machine. This obviously is not sufficient. When asked why they don't make major capital investments to bring supply up to the demand levels, they all say that they are not sure where demand is going to settle out. They don't want to overinvest and have to potentially mothball facilities or lay off workers.
I just don't get it. When was the last time that there was a glut of ammunition? Not in my memory. It seems pretty obvious that demand is going to stay above current production levels with no signs of slowing down. Plus, there is so much pent up demand. People who would readily buy bulk quantities to replenish their stock, but are holding off due to lack of availability and high prices.
I work professionally with a lot of manufacturing industries and all of them would have jumped by now and invested major capital.
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