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Remember the words of Bolshevik Yurii Piatakov from 1928: "ordinary people in general, cannot make an instant change, a turn, amputating their own convictions. ... We are not like other people. We are a party who make the impossible possible. ... And if the party demands it, if it is necessary or important for the party, we will be able by an act of will to expel from our brains in twenty-four hours ideas we have held for years. ... Yes, I will see black where I thought I saw white, or may still see it, because for me there is no life outside the party or apart from agreement with it."

Excaliber wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:20 am The most amazing thing to me is that this engineered process can make generations of people absolutely immune to reasons and facts to the point where they will believe what they are told even when it is contradicted by what they can plainly see in front of them.

The logical follow on is that there is no amount of discussion or evidentiary presentation that will change the minds of these people. The implications of that are horrifying.