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boomerang wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:It's the arts! What do you want????

Tolerance.

NcongruNt wrote:

Kalrog wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:But does "owned by a governmental entity" supercede "leased by a private corporation?"

There is some difference of opinion on that one around these parts. The majority feel that you read the law the way it is written and that 30.06 cannot be enforced if a property is owned by a governmental agency. And that 30.06 cannot be enforced if a property is leased by a governmental agency. Either one is enough to render a 30.06 sign unenforceable.

Furthermore, speaking on principle...
If a corporation is going to rake in huge profits using tax money to build the facility in which they operate, they deserve no special rights. That stadium is public property. If they want to restrict carry under the law, they ought to pony up their own dough instead of riding on the backs of taxpayers while whipping them at the same time. They cannot have their cake and eat it too. At least that's how I see it.

NcongruNt wrote: And as Chas just posted, the law only states that if the property is owned or leased by the governmental entity (and not off limits under other secions of the law, such as a courthouse), 30.06 is not applicable.

seamusTX wrote:

NcongruNt wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:So you're saying you cannot 'own' a building or portion of a building on property that you do not also own?

That's a good point. Condos are set up that way.

In a condominium, each unit owner owns an undivided interest in the underlying land and common areas.

- Jim

NcongruNt wrote:
That's a good point. Condos are set up that way.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:I got clarification on this. HMHF owns the facility. The land is owned by City of Houston and HMHF holds a 30 year lease.

Permanent improvements to real property belong to the landowner. You cannot own a building that sits on leased land. As you said however, you can own movable personal property such as a construction trailer, but the Hobby Center is one big building!

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:I got clarification on this. HMHF owns the facility. The land is owned by City of Houston and HMHF holds a 30 year lease.

Permanent improvements to real property belong to the landowner. You cannot own a building that sits on leased land. As you said however, you can own movable personal property such as a construction trailer, but the Hobby Center is one big building!

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

DoubleActionCHL wrote:I just spoke with one of the executives of Hobby Center for the Performing Arts. The City of Houston owns title to the land only. Houston Music Hall Foundation built and owns the facility. They have an arrangement with the city whereby the land was 'donated', but the city retains ownership.

I wonder how that works with regards to PC 30.06.

I'm not a real estate attorney, but I don't think that's legally possible. Whoever owns the dirt owns the improvements.

Now the city could donate the use of the land and the Center can pay to build on the land they are using, but the city still owns the land and the improvements.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I thought the Hobby Center was city-owned property. Does anyone know for sure?

Chas.

anygunanywhere wrote:Enjoyed the show. Language was strong but the music was great.

The Hobby Center Sarofim Hall has the correct one inch letters on the front doors, but arguably once again white letters on clear/slightly tinted glass is not contrasting. The signs are at the bottom of the doors and really are not in a conspicuous place. They could be easily missed if one is paying attention to ones date as Mrs. Anygun looked quite attractive last night in her evening attire. Needless to say I did not take the time to check for spelling. She has that effect on me.

There was no pistol buster graphic, just the text.

If you are allowed in the stage entrance you will never see the 30.06 but a sherrif deputy will let you in.

Anygunanywhere