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by austin-tatious
Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:28 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, but...
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Re: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, bu

Hoi Polloi wrote:
austin-tatious wrote:
PvilleStang wrote:He left me sitting IN the car, actually... Had me lean forward to disarm me.
I wonder how he disarms someone using a SmartCarry. :lol:
Would it be reasonable for a female using SmartCarry or a thigh carry or a shoulder carry for that matter to say she wanted a female officer to disarm her? Or that she didn't want the officer looking down her pants as she disarmed? How would that play out maintaining proper modesty, respect, dignity, and safety?
I'd really like an answer on the SmarCarry question (whether the CHL holder is male or female). When I first asked the question, it was somewhat in jest. But that was before I gave it serious thought.

I can't image the officer would want to stick his hand down my pants to get my pistol. In fact, I think I would pull it out myself before he even got started...the chance of a ND by him pulling the gun out is horrifying. The way I wear it, I'd get in the leg and likely my knee for sure. On the other hand, when he sees me go for my gun, he's going to draw on me?!?!

OK, as Hoi Polloi said (in a subsequent post to the one above), communicating immediately and politely on the risk to my safety and how I have no issue with disarming and will do so myself is the best response. Anyone have a better idea?
by austin-tatious
Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:33 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, but...
Replies: 40
Views: 7366

Re: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, bu

PvilleStang wrote:He left me sitting IN the car, actually... Had me lean forward to disarm me.
I wonder how he disarms someone using a SmartCarry. :lol:
by austin-tatious
Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:48 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, but...
Replies: 40
Views: 7366

Re: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, bu

bronco78 wrote:
Keith B wrote:Texas Transportation Code § 502.404 only states displayed at the 'front and rear'. Nothing is stated about front-most point. So the officer was interpreting this himself. Now, if he wants, he can write you a ticket, you can go fight it, potentially win on a technicality, but now you have wasted a lot of time and potential expense. :banghead:
If "HE" can’t see it from where he is in front, then your likely to get the ticket your asking for. If it's attached to the windshield as I have seen at times then it is impeding your view and again can get you a ticket.. if it is flat on the dash, then it likely cannot be seen from many positions in front of the vehicle as a front bumper mounted plate would be. That’s what the LEO is likely to tell the judge, who is like to agree as he, probably has a plat attached to front FRONT of his vehicle.

Then there is the whole definition of the word FRONT
: the forward part or surface
: position ahead of a person or of the foremost part of a thing
Couple the common usage and definition of the word front with an officer standing in court saying from the front he could clearly see the bumper and the manufactures designed location for the plate, but could not read the plate as it rested on the dash.. and we can guess what the judge will decide.

Right wrong or whatever… it is what it is. I don’t like the plate on the front of my S197, but it’s required. I don’t like the idea of LEO places his hands on me or my lawfully carried weapon, but it’s the law, so I’ll deal with it if I ever have to.
I can see how your interpretation could make sense to a motivated officer and a judge might agree. My feeble memory tells me it used to say something like "visible from the front". Either it's been changed since I last looked it up, or my memory fails me. I agree, however, with Keith B. For my car, the front plate is actually attached via suction cups inside the front windshield on the right side by the pillar (highly visible from the front and not impeding vision) and I will keep it there until further notice.
by austin-tatious
Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:03 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, but...
Replies: 40
Views: 7366

Re: Similar to the DPS officer running the Serial thread, bu

flb_78 wrote:It all could have been avoided if the plate was mounted properly.
It's not necessary to mount the plate. The law only requires it to be visible from the front.

I and many others with "special" bumper/valence/other on their "special" cars (like pvillestang no doubt has) put it on the dash so it's visible through the windshield. That meets the requirement. And you don't mess up the body work with holes or the visual lines with an unsightly plate.

Re: the disarm issue, I like the approach of bronco78...except I would add "for your safety and mine" to the request.

So far I've been stopped twice in the last year versus none in the previous 10 years. Both times the officer handed back the CHL with no comment whatsoever. So I'm curious if the LEO was Austin PD?

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