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Paladin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:11 am Interesting that they run 4,000 rounds of pistol for training.

Oh, and a P.S. While I was searching, this USA Today article from January 2013 came up: FBI focuses firearms training on close-quarters combat

FBI focuses firearms training on close-quarters combat

"The new training protocols were formally implemented last January after a review of nearly 200 shootings involving FBI agents during a 17-year period. The analysis found that 75% of the incidents involved suspects who were within 3 yards of agents when shots were exchanged. The move represents a dramatic shift for the agency, which for more than three decades has relied on long-range marksmanship training."

Seems to reasonably explain the heavy emphasis now on handgun skills and the 15% ratio of carbine to pistol rounds fired.

Paladin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:11 am

Williams says the each student puts about 4,000 rounds through the 9mm Glock during training. The Remington 870P gets anywhere from 120-150 shells cycled and the Colt pattern carbine (with training guns sporting a snazzy yellow M4 butt while another gun has a Magpul CTR) runs about 620 to establish proficiency.

Interesting that they run 4,000 rounds of pistol for training.

I watched the video in part to get a clarification on whether this represented qualification evolutions or actual instruction. Seems to be the latter. Back in the day when ammo was readily available and reasonably priced, I took classes where 1,000 rounds of pistol and 500 rounds of carbine ammo were expended in a two-day weekend, and several of the hours during the weekend were lecture and non-live-fire instruction. I did a little searching for this, and: "To demonstrate proficiency, trainees must successfully qualify with both the pistol and carbine, and participate in live-fire familiarization with the shotgun. The present firearms curriculum is comprised of 28 sessions totaling 110 hours of instruction, and includes approximately 5,000 rounds of ammunition."

Just doing back-of-the-napkin estimates, I'd say the training I'm familiar with amounted to about 125 rounds per hour of actual live-fire work. Figure it may have been closer to 100. If new agents are going through 5,000 rounds at Quantico, that would work out to between 40 and 50 hours of live-fire. Which, with 110 hours of instruction, I guess is pretty proportionate. Especially if the large majority of newly-minted agents are coming from previous military or law enforcement backgrounds and have some commensurate training under their belts.

At first glance, it just seemed--to me--to be a pretty minimal amount for green recruits who truly may be new to firearms.