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Beiruty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 am Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.

There can certainly be some augmentation from renewable energy forms, but to me the only logical direction is a suitably lengthy R&D and transition plan--2035 full-transition plans are pipedreams unless we want to destroy the US economy; we need to be looking at a 50-year horizon, not 10--with short-term prioritization given to much cleaner global fuel refining (US-produced gasoline is about a 30% cleaner process than that used even by the Saudis, much less Russia and China), and improvement of techniques and safety of using fission technologies. But, yes. We need to be focusing on getting to fusion.

Related, a...revealing video clip of Rep. Rashida Tlaib's (D-MI; part of "The Squad") questions last Wednesday at the House Financial Service Committee hearing with bank CEOs. Her first question about fossil fuels (at about 2:40, where she shows she can't pronounce the word "Celsius") is to Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase. His answer didn't seem to amuse Representative Tlaib :

2farnorth wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:11 am I see valuable farm land being taken out of production to set up massive "Solar farms" that will only generate 1/4 of what the current power plants generate in this area. I think it is a bad dream.

Last week on Fox there was an interview with someone from the energy/utilities side. He made a statement to the effect that in order to produce projected energy requirements via the Green New Deal methods, over 150,000 square miles in CONUS would have to be devoted to solar panels. That would be almost 5% of the entire area of CONUS. By comparison, Texas is 261,914 square miles, California is 155,973, and New York State is 47,224. Another comparison is that the area required would be greater than that of all these states combined:

• Maine
• South Carolina
• West Virginia
• Maryland
• Vermont
• New Hampshire
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• Connecticut
• Delaware
• Rhode Island

Combined, those equal 136,147 square miles. And that doesn't count the Green New Deal area needed for wind farms.

Although, if we could empty California and turn the whole state into nothing but a field of solar panels...