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C-dub wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:02 pm

Middle Age Russ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:15 am

make no mistake, we are in fact in civil war.

Agreed. It hasn't become a shooting war yet, but we've been involved in a cold civil war for a while now.

Oh, but it has. In those terms, so far it's been limited to minor skirmishes testing each other's strengths and weaknesses. A young, relatively untrained 17 year old was tested and emerged victorious so far. Hopefully, he will be completely exonerated also legally. The next test was a murder that also ultimately ended in failure for the murderer. I hope that will be the end, but doubt it will be.

I had hoped it would be the end too. But there are literally 50+ separate blm/antifa factions who have already been out saying (warning) that unless biden wins in a landslide victory there will DEFINITELY be more chaos and unrest. These groups are already outright telling everyone that there's gonna be more violence and destruction when (not if) trump wins. I'm not the biggest of trump fans. I dislike a lot of what he does and says, but he has done more good than obama did in less than half the time. If there's gonna be large scale out right conflict, I suppose I'll put my battle rattle back on and be out fighting for the future my children will inherit.


Just wait, next week starts the "50 days of white house siege" where a bunch of these lunatics are going to gather in DC and do their same nonsense. We'll see how quickly that escalates and how badly it makes trump look if he continues to do the bare minimum. I don't personally think he needs to use the insurrection act, but he should at least push his "federal deputizing" more and crush these groups before they spring up.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:57 pm You can do what Texas Law allows under sections of defense of self, others, and property.

Enforcing the law is not the job of the Citizens or the militia. LEO chiefs has to deputize Citizens to increase the number of his force under his command.

You would have to consult an expert constitutional lawyer in case of no Sherrif or Chief LEO in town
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Right I agree with all of that. However my point may have gotten lost. In these cities that are currently burning, the mayors and Governors have taken ALL of the power and ability of LE to do ANYTHING. Day after day I see, watch, and read stories how these governors are outlawing the use of effective crowd control tools. In chicago, portland, kenosha, milwaukee, etc the cops have been told they CANNOT use batons, gas, pepper balls, shields, or LRAD. Furthermore, the local DAs are refusing to actually prosecute anyone who gets arrested. The cops pick em up, the DA and judges let them go on no bail. My original point was, once the cops are TOTALLY 100% NEUTERED of their ability to enforce laws and stop the rioting, the citizens are going to have to get off their butts and into the streets. Of course I wouldn't put it past these crooked politicians to actually enforce "their law" against opposing citizens to the riots.

I don't know honestly. I never aspired to politics, it's a dirty business. After service I became an electrician and eventually an I/E technician. However I've seen this kind of thing happen in other countries and this is pretty much exactly how it starts. It ends with lots of blood shed and generally someone of note getting slaughtered. I'd like to think it couldn't happen here, but these blm and antifa fanatics seem hell bent on being martyrs and furthering the violence. There will be more killings by the crazies and probably a few more by those on the opposite side. Things have escalated rapidly, and continue to do so. I can't even imagine what we will be dealing with in November after the circus election. I'll keep my tank filled, plates close and rifles loaded.

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:29 pm I'm a little less magnanimous, I think on the third day of the rights the national guard should have been sent in with orders to stop the riots and looting by whatever means necessary!
The President is limited in his scope to deal with State issues however telling federal agents to use whatever force necessary to protect federal property is within his power!
Militia has to be called forth by the State governor and since the govenors are reluctant to put down the unrest maybe the people should remove the governor and stop the riots!

I completely agree. After the first fire was set, and these protests turned into riots, they should have IMMEDIATELY been put down. I'm hoping the citizens don't need to called forth, they need to gather on their own and decide they have had enough of this nonsense. I live in Houston, and other than a little ruckus a few days after dude overdosed and died under the knee of that cop, it has been fairly quiet down here. However I'm sure we are all aware of what happened in Austin and what is going on currently in Dallas.

I am more libertarian than anything else. I fully support protesting for a good and just cause, however the right we have for protesting only covers PEACEABLY assembling. As soon as you start burning, looting, and out right MURDERING people you have forfeited your right to live. The minute you put someones life in danger or actually murder someone. This is just all WAY beyond anything I ever imagined happening in my country. I've seen it over seas, and we called it "just". We actively HELPED groups over seas who were rioting and revolting. Now its come home, but the cause isn't at all just. If it ever was, it sure isn't anymore.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:25 pm I understand what you’re saying, but I’d quibble on some of the finer points.....

1. You don’t have to be "deputized" to be in the militia. The unorganized militia is already defined in 10 U.S. Code § 246 (b) (2) as: "... the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246)

2. As I understand it, Posse Comitatus prevents POTUS from federalizing Nat'l Guard troops unless asked for by the governor of the state in question; and unless asked for, the governor controls his/her state's Nat'l Guard. The governors of the affected states are all leftists who side with the rioters, hate Trump, and would never ask for that kind of help from him......which is a major reason why, weeks later, cities like Portland are still burning.

I know the populous wouldn't "need" to be deputized. I guess I used the term to convey the cops needing the support. Plus if it was publicly stated as such, some of the lesser bright people out there could understand it better. Seeing as the news media would IMMEDIATELY spin it to be "right wing white supremacists are attacking!!!!!".


Trump has already threatened, if the governors of these states won't do it themselves he would go ahead and do it for them. I guess that means insurrection act. I'm not aware of too many other avenues at this point. Either regular citizens get out there and get these people out of their cities. Or the insurrection act gets used and the entire country basically falls under martial law. If these morons end up bringing down the hammer on themselves I suspect MANY innocents will be caught in the middle.

Not sure where else to post this, so mods feel free to move if need be.

What exactly is it going to take before regular citizens decide they've had enough of the peaceful protests? I don't even live in one of the affected cities and I have already had plenty. The mayors and Governors of these states have effectively tied the hands of the cops. Side note, I am 100% in agreement that the police in this country need reform. However cutting their budgets and ensuring they have 0 training and 0 equipment isn't exactly what I think of when I hear the phrase.


So if the cops are essentially useless at this point, not allowed to use any crowd control i.e tear gas, batons, shields, or even LRAD. what is the point of them attempting to stop these riots at all? How long until they decide "If we are neutered, why not go out and rally the citizens". The left has trash talked the 2nd amendment for decades. They love the talking point surrounding the use of the term "militia" in the wording of the 2nd amendment. So why not give them exactly that? Regular citizens deputized by the cops, or even the fed. The way the president is federally deputizing state cops. The only way this stops, short of institution of the insurrection act that I can see, is regular citizens get sick of being used as human shields for the rioters. Get sick of their business being burned to the ground, looted, defaced, etc. I think it's high time people quit worrying about being labeled racist and "right wing extremists".


I haven't cared what people thought of me for years, I could care less if the media wanted to slander me and call me a white supremacist. antifa and blm are terrorists, and if state governments are going to support them, it's time those politicians running those state governments are torn down. PRECISELY what the 2nd amendment is for, removing tyrranical governments and taking power away from power hungry lunatics.

I am not a great fan of Trump, I only voted for him in 16 because who in their right mind would've voted for the alternative? He's done quite a few things that I look upon as "good" in the last 4yrs. He's also done some things I'm not real happy with, chief among them currently is his muted response to the riots. He's left it in the hands of deranged lunatics running the large cities and blue states. Either send in the nasty girl (national guard). Or start supporting regular citizens to go out and clean the streets. I don't want to see Americans killed, no matter what their crazy ideals. I served to preserve the freedoms we have, especially the ones that allow these people to March, protest, and openly carry firearms while doing so.


But they've gone too far, they had gone too far 100 days ago. Now they're stalking and murdering people for "wrong think". It has to stop. As much as it pains me to even think it, it's going to take something akin to "civil war" to put an end to this. From the city government level all the way to the fed. The corruption and shadeyness at ALL levels needs to be removed.


Anyway, that's my rant. Sorry for the long read, but I'm sick of seeing the bias and the support for TERRORISTS in the streets of a country that I love and would die for.