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carlson1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:36 am

philip964 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:14 pm https://www.click2houston.com/news/texa ... -response/

Former police chief indicted for child endangerment.

Also another Officer. They way they announce this as if there will be more to follow. There should be for sure.

The tough thing will be differentiating which officers were told "This is a barricaded subject" vs having active intelligence that shots were fired or had been fired in the room. If no shots had ever been fired in that room, then not making entry immediately is SOP. Who knew and who didn't know that the shooting had already happened. Definitely the 5 to 7 that were there when shots blasted through the door (then shots were continuing to occur in the room), but there were dozens of follow-on officers that had no idea that people were dying because when they arrived it was described as a barricaded subject.

srothstein wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:19 pm ...
So, it would not surprise me that when the group leader reversed course, it threw the group into disarray and they waited for a leader to emerge and take action or give orders again. I am not excusing any of the police actions, nor does this justify it. It might help explain it from a psychological standpoint though.
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So based on the video, I actually don't have any qualms about pulling back **momentarily** at that point. The ALERRT report talks several times about momentum and the necessity of action. (Page 14/15).

The primary recommendation tfrom that report (and my instinctive thought when watching the video) was to re-direct Team 2 (south hallway) from the hallway termination to the exterior windows, and utilize them as a diversionary force / suspect engagement while the main door breaching occurs.

The report states that it appears door 111 was not locked during the incident, which is why the suspect gained easy entry twice anyway. With the window diversion, they could have breached the room without tools. If the curtains or blinds were in the way, they would have needed a breaching tool to rake those clear effectively, but that made it on site at 12:08 or so. Still way earlier than 12:55.

From all appearances, everyone in that department was running on Pre-columbine (IE pre 1999) training nd had not gone through ALERRT. When the SWAT team showed up, they were never handed control.

Its a crap situation that was handled VERY poorly overall.

Paladin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:08 am Video certainly backs up the ALERRT report and most of its conclusions.

For those who may want to view it: https://alerrt.org/r/31 ALERRT Report at that link.

I watched the video. From what I can tell (and yes I understand this is arm-chair QB'ing) the senior officer (presumably a sergeant) almost gets clocked at 7:43 or so on first entry. As he did not have the appropriate entry method or backup of teammates, he pulls back and everyone falls back with him. At that point the on-site officer's appear to go into decision paralysis and the near-miss of the leading officer (larger guy in green) is the primary cause of the shock and indecision.

I'm sure the experts have dug into this much more than this, but to the much less trained eye, that appears to be one of the root causes.

The first attempted entry was garbage with no assistance and no room clearing technique at all.