Winston wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:00 am
I wish I could do that but I personally have a rule against grappling with anyone on the street if I can avoid it! I've done some wrestling and jiu-jitsu training and don't believe in it as an effective form of self defense if I can avoid it. Yes it's a good self defense to learn but on the streets it's a last resort martial art in my opinion. I've trained more in striking martial arts rather than grappling and wrestling throughout the years. Especially Kali martial arts and would resort to using my karambit or any knife to avoid being submitted by a threat. I feel that this is the safest thing for me to do if someone tries to assault me on the street because I've trained what to do in those situations. If they try to take me down or submit me then I'm confident in my ability to defend myself with a blade. I would rather back up, retreat, or even run away then to grapple with somebody outside of a gym. lol. But if I do get into that situation and forced to grapple with an attacker and they get the upper hand they still won't be able to take the knife out of my hand very easily without getting some serious cuts to their wrists and arms. It will become a bloody fight and hopefully they will stop or retreat after x amount of blood loss from the slashes. I would mainly attack the wrist and arms since that's what most attackers need to attack someone but also wouldn't hesitate to deliver more devastating blows if I felt my life was in danger.
Plus I know that I'm better at striking and avoiding take downs than I am at grappling. I'm not too bad at grappling but I don't trust my abilities with grappling if I were to get into a fight for my life. I would never try to choke someone out because the technique could get reversed and I might end up being the one choked out or in serious trouble. With that said a lot of people are very good at it and I wouldn't knock them for using grappling, wrestling, or jiu-jitsu techniques to defend themselves. Especially because it would be a less lethal form of self defense. Choking someone out or breaking a limb wouldn't be as harmful to the attacker as striking or using a blade. The chances of them dying are not as high. But for me striking or knife fighting are my go to self defense techniques if I have to fight at all since I've trained those techniques longer. Which is why I avoid fights to begin with at all cost! Grappling is fun but it's not a good self defense for me personally. Especially because I carry weapons. My weapon could end up being used on me if they get a hold of it. Plus grappling never really works out well with multiple attackers.
The last thing I'd ever want to happen in a street fight is for someone who is stronger and bigger to out wrestle me in a fight. That could be the end of me since it's not a sport when done on the streets. Choke holds are great to subdue an attacker but so it knocking them out with strikes! If I was to help an officer by kicking the suspect then I'd really be surprised if the guy wasn't knocked out cold afterwards. Especially if the threat took one or more of my kicks to the head! Plus in that situation you could also deliver more strikes since the attacker would be busy grappling with the officer. I would definitely let the officer know what was about to happen before doing that of course. If he agrees to let me help then I would strike hard and fast to incapacitate the threat. This is also why when I see officers punching suspects it doesn't bother me at all. They should've not resisted and complied with the officers demands. The officer is just doing what's necessary to gain control of the situation at that point. I've seen some videos of police wrestling with suspects and almost getting their gun taken. They need to start training with knifes and CQC training as a backup from using their firearms. These situations usually happen very fast and up close and personal. That's just my philosophy on self defense but some may feel differently. It sounds brutal but I'm not willing to risk my health or life grappling with anyone on the street no matter what the situation is at the time. Constantly backing up and using counter strike techniques is always a better option than getting into a wrestling match in my opinion. Especially with a bladed weapon. And if that doesn't work to deter threats from harming someone then that's when firearms need to be used to put those threats down permanently.
I get you point and respect it but let me offer this.
You have no guarantee that any strike will leave the attacker unconscious, dead, or unable to continue the fight unless you crush their skull.
Killing with a knife or blunt object requires a coldness and level of commitment few people in the modern era are capable of. It is a truelove gruesome act to engage in. I've done both as part of my duties while serving but I already had that level of commitment and the mindset to do it.
Keep in mind that all you have to do is apply a choke hold wrap up, and hang on for 15-30 seconds and the subject will be dead or unconscious and the second it's applied they will disengage from the grapple with the cop as a an natural reaction to clear their airway.
No matter what you do in such a situation you are putting yourself at a substantial risk.
I have seen many documented cases of citizens intervening to save a cop and been involved in two of them myself and I have yet to see one of them go bad for the defender.
At worst you end up a hero in the community, a few cuts, scrapes, and bruises, and every cop you meet for the rest of your life will be forever indebted to you for saving a "Brother in Blue".
The smaller the jurisdiction, the better well known you are the lower the risk.
For example, every LEO in our county and those bordering it knows me and knows they can count on me if I ever come across such a situation which of course is always to your benefit.
Like any other defense of a 3rd party, there are most certainly grave consequences for you personally so consider them all before ever considering doing so and use your best judgement. Personally I'm just wired such that I can't be a passive observer or go on about my business when I see others in trouble. It's just not who I am or ever could be.
So I can't just walk up like Terminator and toss them around like rag dolls. What are the implications of me drawing down on the assailant(s), and, if that doesn't work, firing?