Well put. This mastication about training, extra training, tactical training, ad nauseum brings me to this question. Given that many who carry would (and do) voluntarily seek extra training and practice, who gets to decide that teacher A who has a CHL (or anyone for that matter) and no additional training has less right to protect themselves than teacher B who has military and/or additional tac training?fickman wrote:The idea is NOT to equip teachers as an organized armed response!!!dac1842 wrote:Well let's throw another wrench into this. Under current Texas law, if a group is charged with the protection of others then the DPS requires a security license. This same law makes a "team" of Chl holders providing protection at a church illegal.
Interesting enough law makes it illegal for a Chl holder who is a licensed private investigator to carry a firearm while acting as a private investigator..
Our own state makes it harder to defend ourselves depending on how we are titled at the moment.
Respectfully, you're missing the argument. I also encourage CHL advocates to stop with the "a CHL could stop a mass murder". Maybe they could. Maybe they wouldn't. We are not counting on armed teachers as our school defense program.
The POINT is that - at the very minute a firearm turns in the direction of one individual teacher, that person should have the dignity to exercise a right to defend themselves if they so choose. If a mass murder is happening and the offender never engages the teachers that chose to arm themselves, he would likely continue unopposed until the police arrive (and finally get around to deciding to enter the building).
But if the shooter happened to force his way into a classroom where a teacher has decided that their life (and the lives of the children for whom they are responsible) are worth defending, then the attacker will meet resistance.
In all likelihood, if the shooter had already been active elsewhere in the building, the teacher would be in a defensive position, behind a closed / locked / barricaded door, between the students and the shooter, and give it all they can should the attacker gain entrance to the room.
Yeah, 10 hours is more than sufficient for that. Four hours is more than sufficient for that. Many will voluntarily choose to get additional tactical training. Good for them if they do.
If you value the sanctity of life and the dignity of self defense, you have to see that allowing CHLers - teachers, administrators, and parents included - to carry in school is the right thing to do. It's a moral imperative. The only additional restriction I could back is to enforce on-body carrying in schools. That's it. Otherwise, allow unfettered access for CHLers to all school grounds, whether they are employees or not.
When we look at states such as Utah, remember that teacher carry is voluntary, not mandatory. Additional training is available. Harrold ISD has extra training and frangible ammunition requisites for their teachers to carry. And ALL is on person carry.
If you knew there was a resource officer or armed security on location, who would be the first you'd take out if you were cooked and looking to massacre? But enven in the most deranged and evil mindset, if your intended target had an unknown number of weapons in unknown locations, you'd go elsewhere. History proves this out, again and again.