Time will tell. The DPS terminated the trooper, I have a hard time buying that it was a stand alone termination for this event, I wonder what other issues, if any, the trooper had on his record. While this looks bad, I still feel that it by itself is not worthy of termination. I still have issues with the second trooper's hands off approach.
In today's environment I get the feeling part of the termination was based on what would be the public opinion factor. Being politically correct hardly ever equates to being right.
I will not be surprised to see this trooper get aquitted and then get his job back.
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- Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:21 am
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
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- Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:22 pm
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Re: Ex DPS TRP Perez charged
I dont see anything that indicates the trooper intended to cause any injury. But what we all have to keep in mind is there is video we have not seen. The actual stop, initial suspect contact, the actions that led to her being handcuffed. The video we have not seen may play a role in what led up to all this. We wont know for some time.
- Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:24 pm
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Re: Ex DPS TRP Perez charged
Well, after watching the video several times I will speak from the position of a former LEO, 15 years on the street.
1- Her speech, level of tone, and her walking are consistent with that of a person under the influence. I wasn't there, naturally I can't say.
2- He had warned her repeatedly prior to starting to the car that if she did not walk she would be taken down.
3- She is obviously verbally abusive
4- As they are walking to the car she does pull away, this constitutes resisting arrest. ( When he says quit resisting the first time I see no resistance other than her running her mouth)
5- He took the action to take her down, a trained response to a suspect pulling away from you. The intent of this move is to take the suspect to ground, pin the shoulders as the saying goes, control the shoulders, control the person. The wall blocked the suspect from being taken to the ground hence the injury
6- The part the bothers me the most is the partner did nothing. This could have been easily avoided had the partner, recognizing the abusive nature of the suspect assisted in escorting her to the car. Watching the partner was harder then anything else and he too should be disciplined for he lack of action.
It will be interesting to see this go to trial. I believe and I may be proven wrong in the end, that he will be found not guilty. The main reason being the suspect makes an obvious move to pull away from the trooper. Time will tell.
In the past when I had a handcuffed suspect do the same to me I always use the foot sweep to take the suspect down. It allows more control of the suspect, takes less room to manipulate and the suspect does not have a violent impact with the ground. When you start spinning around to use your body to pin the suspect with a wall around things can go wrong as we saw. There are many techniques to take a suspect to the ground, the trooper IMHO used the wrong technique given the circumstances. But it is real easy to sit here and Monday morning quarterback it.
I do believe there is some accountability here on all three parties in the video. However the bottom line is had the suspect complied with instructions nothing would have happened. Her actions dictated the outcome. The trooper with the extensive background he had should have had better control, and the partner should have been involved.
Lastly for those of you that have never been in Law Enforcement find an agency that permits citizen ride alongs. Get out there first hand and see what it is like. Most of you would have a different opinion on many issues concerning the police if you were out there see things as they happen.
1- Her speech, level of tone, and her walking are consistent with that of a person under the influence. I wasn't there, naturally I can't say.
2- He had warned her repeatedly prior to starting to the car that if she did not walk she would be taken down.
3- She is obviously verbally abusive
4- As they are walking to the car she does pull away, this constitutes resisting arrest. ( When he says quit resisting the first time I see no resistance other than her running her mouth)
5- He took the action to take her down, a trained response to a suspect pulling away from you. The intent of this move is to take the suspect to ground, pin the shoulders as the saying goes, control the shoulders, control the person. The wall blocked the suspect from being taken to the ground hence the injury
6- The part the bothers me the most is the partner did nothing. This could have been easily avoided had the partner, recognizing the abusive nature of the suspect assisted in escorting her to the car. Watching the partner was harder then anything else and he too should be disciplined for he lack of action.
It will be interesting to see this go to trial. I believe and I may be proven wrong in the end, that he will be found not guilty. The main reason being the suspect makes an obvious move to pull away from the trooper. Time will tell.
In the past when I had a handcuffed suspect do the same to me I always use the foot sweep to take the suspect down. It allows more control of the suspect, takes less room to manipulate and the suspect does not have a violent impact with the ground. When you start spinning around to use your body to pin the suspect with a wall around things can go wrong as we saw. There are many techniques to take a suspect to the ground, the trooper IMHO used the wrong technique given the circumstances. But it is real easy to sit here and Monday morning quarterback it.
I do believe there is some accountability here on all three parties in the video. However the bottom line is had the suspect complied with instructions nothing would have happened. Her actions dictated the outcome. The trooper with the extensive background he had should have had better control, and the partner should have been involved.
Lastly for those of you that have never been in Law Enforcement find an agency that permits citizen ride alongs. Get out there first hand and see what it is like. Most of you would have a different opinion on many issues concerning the police if you were out there see things as they happen.