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RicoTX wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:01 pm I'm assuming that the majority of gun owners have accepted (not happily I know)the current restrictions on 2A as lawful.

I don't know about the majority of gun owners, but it seems pretty obvious most current government restrictions literally infringe our right to keep and bear arms, no matter what government employees say.

As far as compliance goes, sometimes the best tactic is to let the wookiee win, or maybe just let them think they won.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:55 am What Middle Age Russ says about the limits where one’s rights bump up against the rights of another make absolute sense, and to a large extent, I agree with that sentiment.

I agree and to be clear, I don't consider a property owner who bans guns a "bad guy" any more than a property owner who bans dogs. A person has the right to prohibit dogs or guns in their home I respect their private property rights as an individual, even if I don't agree with their decision.

However, a public accommodation is required to allow dogs, if the dogs are service animals. Using a similar standard, they should be required to allow guns, if the guns are carried by someone licensed to carry. That is consistent with established precedent for civil rights.

RicoTX wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:03 am Someone asked me today if I believed the 2nd amendment truly meant that I as an individual have the right to own guns and the right to carry guns in public. I answered yes. I was then asked why I allow the city, county, or state - much less federal governments to determine what kind of gun I can carry. He suggested that if I believed my 2A rights were being violated wouldn't that mean the LEO was in violation of their oath? Was I willing to go to jail to prove my belief in the 2nd Amendment?

How would going to jail "prove" that I believe in the Bill of Rights?

Sending the bad guys to prison would do that, like was done nearly 75 years ago in Europe. Killing them would also work.

I don't recall the Founding Father's turning themselves over to the Crown to "prove" they believed they were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights [and] to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,