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philip964 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:11 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:05 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:05 pm Picture of our new American hero chewing gum during his arrest.

I have not verified the photo for accuracy. I cannot also verify what flavor of gum.

That is not gum. That is his drug stash that killed him. He was attempting to get rid of evidence. He was successful. He hid it in his dead body.

What CREDIBLE source are you getting this information from and for God Sakes please don’t say FOX NEWS.

I am genuinely curious.

Not sure who your are directing the question to. The photo is from 4 Chan. Which is why I said it was not verified, and why I called it gum, as to not besmirch the fine reputation of Houston’s next name for a park, plaza, statue or elementary school.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:05 pm Picture of our new American hero chewing gum during his arrest.

I have not verified the photo for accuracy. I cannot also verify what flavor of gum.

That is not gum. That is his drug stash that killed him. He was attempting to get rid of evidence. He was successful. He hid it in his dead body.

Rafe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:43 pm

Daisy Cutter wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 7:55 pm When this broke, I did a quick search of Harris Co criminal records, and a George Floyd, 46, 6'6"/ 250 lbs popped out, but I sat on it because I didn't have a middle name or DOB on the Milwaukee man. What piqued my interest was the "gentle-giant-father-of-two" and "starting a new life" narrative, which usually means they are laying the groundwork for bad news. He has used various aliases, including Floyd Perry, and two DOBs.

Well the Chicago Tribune has confirmed my suspicions. He's got a pretty decent record here (Houston), culminating in a 2007 home invasion of a residence where he was the gunman who stuck a pistol in the stomach of the lady of the house. Looking for drugs and money. He was also the driver. In their haste to leave, they left one of their proteges behind, who fled on foot. Neighbor got the license and they were picked up.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-w ... story.html

Convictions, all from public record. Anyone can find this.

8-97 Drugs del. State Jail Felony
9-98 Theft from person (pled down from Agg. Robbery)
12-98 Theft.
8-01 Failure to ID fugitive. Class B Misd.
10-02 Possession State Jail Felony
1-03 Trespass. State Jail Felony
2-04 Del controlled substance. State Jail Felony
12-05 Possession/ Delivery. 2nd Deg Felony
11-07 Aggravated Robbery/ deadly weapon. Felony 1st Deg.
Discharged TDCJ 2013

I know that this doesn't justify excessive use of force on a suspect and I think the officers should be held accountable. I'm interested though in how the media have (almost) completely ignored his background. They must know. Its relevant because it speaks to his state of mind at the time of the arrest. If he had more counterfeit on him, in his vehicle, or at home, he would be facing prison again. Knowingly passing funny money is both a Federal and State felony.

I would want to know whether he was in his own car, and whether LE rolling up, had run a quick check on the plate and seen that owner was a violent felon, which would have put them into higher alert status. Also I'm curious why there is no video (shown) so far of how he ended up on the ground. Something set the officers off. Did he head-butt, bite, spit, or knee a groin? The fixed camera footage on the building next door could have shed some light on this.

Standing by for developments......

Bringing up a post from over a week ago. First, as Daisy Cutter did, I want to be completely clear that I believe the death of George Floyd is unconscionable and the charge of 2nd degree murder against Chauvin is very much warranted. And like Daisy Cutter said, Floyd's past had zero bearing on the way in which he was killed.

I also support the right of all the protesters around the country to respond. Note that I said protesters, not looters and rioters; them I have no tolerance for.

I also very much appreciate the memorials for Floyd that have been televised, and in particular the way that his brother has stepped up to condemn the violence being perpetrated in George's name.

What troubled me about some of those eulogies to Floyd, though--at the memorial services and some of the protests--is canonization in martyrdom. In many instances he's being painted as an absolute saint, the "gentle giant" who never had a disparaging word for anyone and who would open a window for a fly to leave the house rather than swatting it.

But the facts are the facts. This man was a felon. A violent felon, at that. At least two of his convictions involved his use of a firearm...though at least he never shot anyone with it. The actual time served isn't completely clear to me, but he served time on at least six instances (these just augment what Daisy Cutter already posted; it's unclear what sentences he may have served or been issued for his other offenses):

• 1998: 10 months, armed robbery (firearm)
• 2002: 8 months, possession (cocaine)
• 2003: 30 days, trespassing
• 2004: 10 months, delivery of a controlled substance (cocaine)
• 2005: 10 months, possession/delivery of a controlled substance (cocaine)
• 2009: 5 years, from 2007 armed home invasion; initial bail set at $50,000

In that home invasion, Floyd was the front-man for a group of six thieves, Floyd being one of the six. He presented himself, dressed in blue-clothing, like a uniform, at the door of the house occupied at the time by a pregnant woman (some reports say that she was seven months pregnant, but I can't find anything to confirm that), her spouse (at least common law) and a 1-year-old girl. To get her to open the door, Floyd told her he was with the water department. She attempted to close the door. Floyd (the rest is directly from the charge documented in case 01610509, Harris County, 11/27/2007) "prevented her from doing so. At this time, a black Ford Explorer pulled up in front of the complainants' residence and five other Black males exited the vehicle and proceeded to the front door. The largest of these suspects [Floyd] forced his way into the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant's abdomen, and forced her into the living area of the residence. This large suspect then proceeded to search the residence while another armed suspect guarded the complainant, who was struck in the head and side areas by this second armed suspect with his pistol after she screamed for help."

Floyd moved to Minnesota after he got out of jail in 2014. By all accounts, he really did make an effort to turn a new leaf. Although there is a street- or store-cam video that purportedly shows Floyd discretely getting rid of a small plastic bag full of something white during that final Minneapolis arrest. Not embedding the YouTube video of it (no, the final moments aren't shown, and this view is from across the street from that): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhyTi1ve0s. But George Floyd was no saintly man, and he wasn't a one-time offender. His death deserves outrage, but the means of death doesn't elevate him to sainthood. The eulogies and messages don't have to mention these elements of his past, but neither should they purposely, intentionally obfuscate what his past was really like.

cheezit wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:54 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:51 am So what I am gathering is the officer that had his knee on this gentlemens neck had nothing to do with his death is what some of you are saying? Quick question. If the officer didnt have his knee on his neck would you think Mr George would have died that day and still be alive to this day during that incident? Or he still would have died regardless?

If he wouldn't have handed off a fake $20, not been on meth and fentanyl would he also possibly be alive today?