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by Keith B
Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:55 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The prodigal returns home!
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Re: The prodigal returns home!

carlson1 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
WildBill wrote:I realize I am late to this post, but the caliber argument for me hasn't been much of a decision for me.
I am not sure exactly why, but I have never been able to shoot a .45 ACP as accurately as I would like.
That is why I have carried .38 Spec +P and 9 mm. :tiphat:
Truth is we all have something we can't shoot as well. I shoot the .356 Sig fine, but not the .40. I like .45 and revolvers.

I don't direct this at anyone because I was this way when I left LE for years. I thought I had to carry two guns and back up mags for both and a revolver on my ankle to go to Kroger's and get milk. :fire I realize bad things can happen anywhere, but I finally "matured" out some I guess because I try real hard not to go to places I need to take my gun safe to.
That pretty much describes exactly how I "evolved" and arrived at my current carry practices too. :cheers2:
Me too. It must be an old COP thing.

Chas.
Or it could just be the fact that great minds think alike! "rlol"
I am just grateful to just be in the mix of great company. :tiphat:
:iagree: Carry what you are comfortable with and be good with it. That's (hopefully) all you will need if push comes to shove.
by Keith B
Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:39 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The prodigal returns home!
Replies: 68
Views: 11890

Re: The prodigal returns home!

karder wrote:I like .45 and love 1911's, so I could never argue with that EDC choice.


At the last tactical shooting course I took, the instructor had an interesting take. To paraphrase, he noted:

"There are two things that kill you in combat. Blood loss and an obstructed airway. Guns kill you the same way knives do. They make holes and let your blood out. When enough blood gets out, you die. That is important to understand, whether you are trying to stop an attacker, or trying to help someone who has been shot. 9mm, .40, .45, .357, any major caliber will let the blood out just fine. Your job is to let the blood out a quickly as possible to stop the aggression. Whatever tool you choose to use to do that is up to you."

Sure, this is an oversimplification, but still, as someone who like to pour over ballistic information, I found it to be an interesting perspective.
Shooting an attacker to stop them is a lot like good real estate; Location, location, location. Shot placement is critical to up your chances of hitting vital organs/arteries.

One additional items that your instructor didn't mention was shock to the central nervous system. A shot that causes hrd shock to the CNS will shut down an attacker immediately. That is the best hope you can get for stopping someone. Bleed out can take 7-8 seconds at minimum, even with a heart hit, so they may still have time to shoot at you. So, the more energy you can pass along to the impact, the better the penetration and potential CNS shock or deep enough to hit a vital organ.
by Keith B
Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:21 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The prodigal returns home!
Replies: 68
Views: 11890

Re: The prodigal returns home!

Roger Howard wrote:
Keith B wrote:Personally, if i could figure out how to carry a handgun with 12ga slugs in it, that would be my preferred round to stop someone with due to the mass and diameter of the slug. When you are in a gunfight, cutting off fractions of seconds on ending the fight means the possibility of you living versus dying. :thumbs2:
If the judge in .410 wasn't so big, I would carry one of those.
I am not a fan of the Judge overall. .410 shot shells are just not that great for defense. A .410 slug is only a little over .38 caliber and the heaviest one is about 110 grains. .38 caliber bullets are around 158 grain, and .40 caliber tops out around 180 grain. They match energy-wise at close range, but the Kinetic Energy drops off really fast when you go out in distance. Even with a .45 Long Colt round, they are not really set up for defense in that you can get just as much bang for your buck with a .45 ACP, and it's much faster to shoot and reload, and have a much lighter gun.

So, while it sounds like it might be a great defense gun, I think there are much better choices, even for use in hunting with a handgun.

Here's a pretty good article on the .410 slug and energy/transfer http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/
by Keith B
Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:41 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The prodigal returns home!
Replies: 68
Views: 11890

Re: The prodigal returns home!

I carry a 9mm most of the time just because it's my lightest and easiest gun to carry in my pocket where I am comfortable with the abilities of the caliber and rounds I use. However, when it's feasible and I can, I will carry a .45.

I am a big believer in energy transfer to the target. The heavier .45 slug vs. a lighter 9mm will produce more kinetic energy, given a similar velocity. Also, the extra .07" of diameter gives you a larger wound channel and a slight advantage of hitting a vital organ, vein or artery when it spreads out. Those combined give you a better chance of stopping the threat sooner than later.

Personally, if i could figure out how to carry a handgun with 12ga slugs in it, that would be my preferred round to stop someone with due to the mass and diameter of the slug. When you are in a gunfight, cutting off fractions of seconds on ending the fight means the possibility of you living versus dying. :thumbs2:

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