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Soap wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Soap wrote:Do you go in people house wearing shoes if they tell you to take them off?

Personally, no I don't. And I think that a home owner should be able to call the police for assistance if someone refuses to either remove their shoes or leave after being so told by the home owner. Again - I think that a property owner should be able to tell anyone to leave, for any reason, and if that person refuses, the police should assist. This would give property owners much greater rights than they have today.

Where we disagree is that you believe property owners should be allowed to use the arrest powers of the state to enforce their own personal prejudices against the unseen behavior of others with which they disagree. I believe that is wrong because it means we are allowing the property owner to infringe on the basic fundamental rights of other people.

I don't believe anyone should be arrested or charged unless they refuse to leave. I am not infringing on your rights because you have a choice to be there or not. No one said you HAD to shop at my pizza place. Granted, I would never have such rules but you aren't being forced to shop there. This is why owners can tell you to leave an object outside of their business. It's the same as no shoes no service. You don't have freedom of speech on this forum, I can't curse up a storm. Does that mean the admins are taking my rights away??? NO, because I don't have to use this forum if I want to curse up a storm.

You are basically talking apples and oranges. There are health codes that allow you to prohibit someone from coming in with no shirt or shoes. However, you earlier claimed that you have the right to refuse service to ANYONE at your publicly open business. That is just not true. If you try to prohibit a person from eating at your establishment because they are green (as you said in an earlier post), that is a protected class (color of skin) and you are illegally blocking them. I guarantee you will be in for a loss if they file a lawsuit.

So, while there are some rights provided to business owners, like prohibiting concealed or open carry, you can't make the blanket statement that you have the right to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY REASON. When you open a business to the public you must follow the laws on who you can or cannot refuse access and service to, unlike your private property or residence.

Soap wrote:

mayor wrote:

Soap wrote:IT's my business and in a true free market and free America, I should have the right to kick whoever I want out. If I don't like green people then so be it.

That may be how it should be, but let me know how that works out for you.

IT works out well in most places. Truth is most people care more about money than say green people. So they will always side with money. IT works all the time. Remember the gun store that refuses to sell to Muslims?

Yeah, the only reason the case got tossed was because he had never actually refused to sell to a Muslim. He only STATED he wouldn't sell to them. So, let us know how it works out when you refuse service to a protected class of people?