He was talking about the State Fair being an amusement park.nightmare wrote:Astroworld has been gone ten years but even back when it was in operation it was separate from the BBQ cookoff and livestock show grounds.treadlightly wrote:aren't we forbidden to carry in amusement parks?
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- Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:36 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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- Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:37 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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I really wasn't meaning the website Steve. I would tend to agree with you that if you were required to go to the website before being allowed to buy a ticket, and had to post that you agreed to the terms, then yeah, it would be legal.srothstein wrote:Keith,
I partly agree and partly disagree. You are correct that the notice must be in English and Spanish. But I disagree with your definition of the way it must be presented. I think the court would find that the web site constitutes "other document" within the meaning of the law. Of course, there is the problem of proving that you in particular saw the web site when you were carrying, but it you admitted to it, I think it would hold up as written notice.
What I was referring to is they were going to supposedly post the list of prohibited items at the gate in the form it was on the website, which would not be legal without the Spanish and in the right block lettering at least 1".
- Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:29 pm
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Re: Houston Rodeo BBQ No Carry Allowed?
Even if the listing is posted at the gates, it just says firearms with an asterisk under the list of prohibited items, and then at the asterisk they have the 30.06 penal code in English only. Not valid by the statute to present it in this way. Must be on a sign with 1" letters in English and Spanish or a card or paper they hand you.PaJ wrote:I just looked at their website concerning entrance security. It says a 30.06 will be posted at entrances. I didn't see it but may have missed it. Here's the link.
http://www.rodeohouston.com/GuestServic ... y-measures" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:17 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Houston Rodeo BBQ No Carry Allowed?
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An amusement park has a specific requirements in 46.035treadlightly wrote:Carrying at the State Fair of Texas? Sounds fine to me, but aren't we forbidden to carry in amusement parks?
Frankly, I'm a little confused. I think the DPS FAQ's are out of date. For instance, they way we can't carry on the premises of a hospital or nursing home, but in my CHL class I was told I couldn't carry in a hospital if 30.06 was posted. Odd, that one kind of place would be specifically mentioned as 30.06-compatible, so to speak, but that's what my instructor said.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/faqs/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; also says we can't carry at any meeting of a government entity, but I thought meetings like City Council meetings had to have 30.06 posted before we were required to disarm.
I need to do some more reading. In the meantime, I'll err on the side of caution.
The State Fair of Texas is not in operation more than 120 days a year.(f) In this section:
(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
As for the the FAQ's, yes, they are out of date. See 46.035 (i) that says:
So, Hospitals (b)(4), Amusement Parks (b)(5), Churches (b)(6), and Meetings of Government entities (c) must have a 30.06 sign posted to be off limits.(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
- Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:16 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Houston Rodeo BBQ No Carry Allowed?
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Re: Houston Rodeo BBQ No Carry Allowed?
I wonder if they have set the area as a 51% venue? I think the BBQ is complementary, and so the alcohol sales could possibly be enough to make it off-limits http://www.rodeohouston.com/Events/Worl ... rBQue.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;