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philip964 wrote:There is a video out on the internet purporting to show Michael (gentle giant) Brown beating up an old African American man.

I was wondering how long it would take before someone would start spilling the beans on this guy.

In order to find it you would just Google it.

The video is so violent that I cannot link to it here.

It is difficult to confirm it is Michael Brown, but it certainly fits his description and attitude.

If you watch it you will feel that the police officer is very lucky to be in one piece.

The video is apparently not of Brown. Appears to he an apartment complex here in Dallas.

Warning: Video contains profanity and graphic violence

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jmra wrote:
Pure speculation on the part of the reporter to suggest that those destroying property were not locals.

The arrests last night were predominately locals per the news this morning.

philip964 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/holder-announces- ... 2kA3jYPxQt.

Attorney General Holder is going to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate, fast and furious, Benghazi murders, NSA spying, cozy government loan guarantees to political supporters, failure of the executive branch to follow laws and the targeting of Tea Party groups by the IRS.

How far did you get before you knew I was fibbing.

Yeah he's investigating the entire Ferguson Police Department for civil rights violations.

Nothing but a witch hunt.

Beiruty wrote:No one is talking about the patrol car dash video? Why CNN does not talk about it? Are they afraid that would reveal the truth that they do not like?

Also more info is now being revealed about Mr. Brown. (Ala Trayvon Martin)..
NWSF language and audio:
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They do not have dashcams.

StewNTexas wrote:I still feel that if that was my store, I would place a few inward facing claymores around the perimeter of the store before locking up, they being connected to motion detectors.

From what I have seen on video, the loss of product would be about the same.

And that would be totally illegal

Sec. 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if:
(1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and
(2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device.

When I was a LEO in Missouri we arrested a guy who had set up a trigger wire on a shotgun pointed at the door of his abandoned property because he had kids breaking in periodically. He told someone about it and they reported him. We went to the house, looked in the windows and could see it set up on the door. Lucky for him it was found before some kid got killed and he spent the rest of his life in prison for murder.

Here's the type of thing I was talking about where you build rapport with the people in your community

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Excaliber wrote:After several days of St. Louis County municipal and county police turning the protests into a full fledged crisis and highlighting the major problems with militarized police for the nation to see, the Missouri governor has stepped in and appointed the state's highway patrol to assume command over response to the protests. That agency has appointed a captain who actually understands community policing to direct the operations. The results have been immediate and dramatic:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/14/mi ... -security/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/14/change-in ... y-evening/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chas.

IMO the officers that were tasked with community policing (municipal first, then county) were way too close to the issue to appropriately handle the issue. Bringing in the MSHP probably should have been done earlier, but 20/20 hindsight is always best. Jay Nixon is a pretty decent Governor (for a Democrat). His involvement along with the MSHP Captain leading the charge will be instrumental in deescalating the issue and helping keep it from boiling back up.

SQLGeek wrote:

Keith B wrote: The community of approximately 20,000 is is roughly 2/3 black and the police department has 53 commissioned officers and only 3 are black.

I've heard this stat trotted out several times the last few days but with no suggestion on how to change it

Should the racial makeup of a police department reflect the community they are serving? If so how do they go about doing that while ensuring that qualified candidates are being hired? So many questions and so few answers.

Not necessarily. However, any department has to understand the citizenry they are serving and be cognizant to the differences in culture, ideals, etc. No department should ever racially profile, but it sounds like some of the officers in this department may have been in the past. A department needs to understand the demographics in their area, learn to deal with the differences and address the citizens as citizens and look past any skin color or ethnicity. Perception is a big thing and when you let something like skin color cloud your perception of a person or group overall, tensions can build and reach a boiling point. Because of past incidents and the unbalance of white officers to black and the ratio compared to the citizens, it is perceived (real or otherwise) that their were racial issues between the department and the population. A department partnering with community leaders, reaching out to those groups in the city and teaming to build a relationship is what will break those barriers down. If a department builds a wall between itself and those it serves it will never develop the trust and support needed to be successful in protecting and serving the community.

There has been a long-standing tension between citizens of Ferguson and the police department. The community of approximately 20,000 is is roughly 2/3 black and the police department has 53 commissioned officers and only 3 are black. There has been an issue where the police have been accused (right or wrong) of predominantly targeting blacks and racial profiling those who were driving or walking around Ferguson. This incident just heightened and already tense situation and caused it to explode with both sides doing things they never should have.

The militarization of police these days stems a lot from the DoD 1033 program, which distributes surplus military equipment, including automatic weapons and heavy armored vehicles such as MRAPS, to local police departments across the United States. Law enforcement agencies in St. Louis County received 12 5.56 millimeter rifles and six .45 caliber pistols from the program between August 2010 and February 2013 and Ferguson is one of those agencies. This is not uncommon across the US and leads to more and more militarized SWAT and Special Response teams.

Departments across the country need to take a hard look at their methods and try to move away from the 'suit up boys, we're going to war' view when addressing protests and civil unrest issues, as well warrants and no-knock entries.