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jbarn wrote:

gljjt wrote:If they are not a governmental entity, I'm sure the citizens of Plano would like to have their tax dollars back and reimbursement for past election expenses. /sarcasm off.

No kidding. And what were the public elections all about?

You have to understand one thing about the schools here in Plano. One word describes why they think they're special; Plano.

gljjt wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

ScottDLS wrote: . . .

Plano ISD 30.06 sign size is irrelevant, as is their intent... because Plano ISD is a government entity AND the definition of "premises" in (edit) 46.035 does not include parking lots.

CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
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(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

Not according to PISD, they are "independent" and therefore not a government entity.

Of course all of this is moot without a test case.

That's what they say. Here is what they have written. http://pol.tasb.org/Policy/Download/312 ... LEGAL).pdf. Top of page 6.

Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting the link.

Jim, they have clarified it. I believe there is a letter from the head of security for PISD that states they are aware the 30.06 signs are not enforceable in the parking lots or grounds unless a school sponsored activity is taking place.

jimlongley wrote:.....DPS considers the effort to post 30.06 to be an indication of intent.....

I totally agree that any no gun sign posted, 30.06 or otherwise, shows their intent to prevent guns in their business. HOWEVER, the law has specific requirements for the sign or other legal notification. So, while they may have intended to prevent me from carrying, since they failed to meet the legal guidelines I can legally carry there. It's no different from me; I intend to do a lot of things, but fail to properly carry through with a lot of them.

C-dub wrote:

der Teufel wrote: OR — is Keith B saying that it's normally okay to carry in governmental meetings UNLESS they're posted 30.06? Can they do that?

This, I think, but I don't have the best record lately. They can do it if they want.

Yes, you can carry at a government meeting unless they post a 30.06. One exception is a school board or other government meeting in a school building.

C-dub wrote:KeithB, if the school employees did not get the exemption, doesn't that still make it illegal for them if the school does give effective notice according to 30.06 so that they could be prosecuted?

No. 30.06 is not valid on government property except for meetings for anyone. So, 30.06 does not apply. What applies is the parking lot law that prohibits most employers from setting policy where employees can't have a firearm in their vehicle. The code specifically allows schools and refineries to still prohibit it. While the school can still have the policy to stop their employee from having a firearm, it is not illegal if they do. However, they can be fired for it.

C-dub wrote:

edgar0400 wrote:How a sign like this one would apply if posted in the entrance of the parking lot of a school.

It wouldn't unless the school were a private school. Although, it might still apply to the public school's employees I'm not sure they would really even need it. They could just put it in the employee handbook and not have to spend the money on a sign anywhere at all.

The 3.06 would not apply to the employees either. However, they do not get the parking lot exemption as it is stated schools are allowed to prohibit employees from having a handgun in their vehicle. It's not illegal, but they can fire them for it where other employers have to allow it.

Yes, it is a valid 30.06 sign and as stated 30.06 is for all the property, not premises (just the building or portion of a building). So, as a CHL holder you cannot carry on property.

The gray area comes in to the leaving it in your vehicle. Since you do not need a license to carry in your vehicle under the MPA, and 30.06 only applies to carrying under authority of your CHL, that as long as you leave it in the vehicle you are not in violation. This theory has not been tested in court to my knowledge, so proceed with caution if you choose to follow that line of reason.