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by Keith B
Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Invalid 51% sign??
Replies: 36
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Re: Invalid 51% sign??

Lambda Force wrote:I think it's the child who has an affirmative defense but the parent is explictly allowed if they maintain visual contact.

It's good to know the legislature doesn't expect the TABC to arrest Roman Catholic parents who allow their child to receive the Eucharist, Jewish parents who allow their child to have wine at the seder, or sports fan parents who give their child a sip of their beer at a baseball game.
Actually it is both the adult and child. Adults would normally be charged with providing the alcohol and a minor would be charged with minor in possession. Not sure about Texas, but some states will give a MIP by consumption charge to the minor if the have a BAC of .02 or greater.
by Keith B
Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:54 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Invalid 51% sign??
Replies: 36
Views: 6633

Re: Invalid 51% sign??

JP171 wrote:word of caution, be careful about giving your children any alcoholic beverage, remember it says affirmative defense, but it also doesn't rule out the family code about injury to a child. I say this because of the bunch of cases I have heard about charges against parents allowing the kids to have alcoholic beverages. Yes there have been other things going on in these cases and the charges were probably just throw on more charges but hey why take a chance
Those cases were usually a parent poviding alcohol for a party their child was throwing and the parents were then not present AND there were others there at the party underage and drinking.

If you are stupid enough to give your kids enough alcohol to get them drunk, even if u are present, then IMO CPS needs to get involved.
by Keith B
Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Invalid 51% sign??
Replies: 36
Views: 6633

Re: Invalid 51% sign??

Lambda Force wrote:
dolderxl wrote:
A 51% establishment cannot allow folks under 18 on the premises.
I'm certain that isn't true. Minors can't sit at the bar and they have to leave by 9pm.
Where is that in the law? I know some country dance halls that are 51% but don't kick out families at 9pm.
Actually, minors can drink in Texas if the are with their parent, adult legal guardian or adult spouse.
by Keith B
Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Invalid 51% sign??
Replies: 36
Views: 6633

Re: Invalid 51% sign??

kgdotcom wrote:I've recently inquired about a Business on the TABC site to find what they have on the site isn't accurate/up to date. :rules:

Big Shot's Sports Cafe in Bedford shows to be Blue on the TABC website but they post a 51%. I called the manager to ask why the 51% sign when the TABC site states they should be Blue and he contends they are defiantly 51% and the TABC gave them the 51% sign.

TABC say they are 51% and when they renew their license it will reflect it at that time. Not sure if the person I called at TABC had a clue on what they were talking about :headscratch and couldn’t explain why they show them to have a Blue sign????
The TABC sends businesses BOTH signs (or at least they used to), and they are supposed to put the correct one up depending on their license

One of two things is possible:

either their current license was less than 51% and they recently got audited and found to be more than 51%, so they are changing their license

-or-

The database has an error.

The one to way to tell now is to go look at their current license on the wall now. If it says SIGN=RED, then they are 51%. If is says SIGN=BLUE, then they aren't. The license posted is the one that is supposed to be valid and in effect.

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