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Your Utah permit will only be good until expiration unless you get a Texas CHL. Utah did pass a law stating you had to have a license from your state of residence before they would issue a new or renew and existing non-resident license.

However, as G. A. Heath stated, Texas did not pass any law regarding this and your instructor was mistaken. However, this topic is here because the poor practices of a few instructors here in Texas bringing this to the surface and rubbing everyone's faces in the fact you can bypass getting a Texas CHL and carry on a non-resident license.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Crossfire wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Negligence behind the wheel laws do nothing about the FACT that most accidents are caused by ignorant, inconsiderate fools, texting or talking on cell phones while driving. I suppose we should get rid of drinking while driving laws too. Maybe speed limit rules are completely wrong. We should be allowed to drive as fast as we want, as long as we are not being reckless.

Driving is not a right! It is a privilege. It should be regulated by the state to insure we have safe highways.

You have the facts to backup that claim? I am very doubtful that MOST accidents are caused by cell phone use - whether talking, texting, or whatever.

Just one of thousands. Google is your friend.

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That is not most of the accidents. They are caused by negligence and inatentaiveness, but not nessicarily by cell phone or texting.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

srothstein wrote:Ameer,

What do you call them when they support some bills such as the CHL law to begin with. They may not be pro-gun, but they are certainly not anti-gun either.

That puts them right where the vast majority of the public is, somewhere in the middle. But with legislators, there are always other factors to consider also. Some may be very pro-gun but have to vote against a bill for some other reason. For example, Perry vetoed a gun bill I really wanted to see passed this last session (pertained to retired officers). I cannot call him anti-gin for this. He explicitly stated the veto was because of an unrelated amendment that would have changed traffic laws (banned texting while driving). I am certain that his long term stance is close to mine on guns, but politics raised its ugly head.

By understanding some of the other factors involved, we (gun rights activists) can maintain a cordial working relationship with the legislators. That make us much more likely to get more of what we wanted passed than if we antagonize them over some votes. Long term, this is the only way to get to where we (well, I) want to be - a repeal of chapter 46 totally.

I did not realize Perry was in the pocket of cell phone companies. Knowing his stance on that just cost him my vote. Texting while driving is about the most ignorant thing a person can do.

I can tell you the cell phone companies were not against this, at least the big ones. I know AT&T has a big campaign agaisnt texting and driving.

boba wrote:

Keith B wrote:

boba wrote:

srothstein wrote:What do you call them when they support some bills such as the CHL law to begin with. They may not be pro-gun, but they are certainly not anti-gun either.

Texas Democrats.

I'm joking but not entirely. A Texas Republican majority (big majority) refused to pass campus carry this year. Compare that to the Texas Democratic majority that passed the CHL law here.

I'm sure the GOP apologists have an excuse. That and $2.00 will buy a cup of black coffee at Starbucks.

And I'm darn glad they let it die and didn't take it up. It was one of the worst bills that could have passed this year. I am not against open carry, but the way it was written would have been very detrimental to concealed carry, and would not have been a pro-gun bill at all for Texans.

I think if a well written open carry bill were to be introduced, then the pro-gun legislators, along with the state and federal pro-2A organizations, will get behind it. However, until that happens, I appreciate those in the legislature that have enough foresight to keep bad bills from coming to the top and becoming a problem.

Nice try but I said CAMPUS CARRY. So did Ameer for that matter. I'm not sure where the OC red herring comes from but that seems to be the go-to distraction when somebody criticizes GOP politicians for not supporting other RKBA issues.

Oops. In the words of Emily Litella from Saturday Night Live, 'Never mind.'

However, the Campus Carry anti's did have a TON of people and college faculty that were very verbal in lobbying against it, and as they say, the squeaky wheel....

boba wrote:

srothstein wrote:What do you call them when they support some bills such as the CHL law to begin with. They may not be pro-gun, but they are certainly not anti-gun either.

Texas Democrats.

I'm joking but not entirely. A Texas Republican majority (big majority) refused to pass campus carry this year. Compare that to the Texas Democratic majority that passed the CHL law here.

I'm sure the GOP apologists have an excuse. That and $2.00 will buy a cup of black coffee at Starbucks.

And I'm darn glad they let it die and didn't take it up. It was one of the worst bills that could have passed this year. I am not against open carry, but the way it was written would have been very detrimental to concealed carry, and would not have been a pro-gun bill at all for Texans.

I think if a well written open carry bill were to be introduced, then the pro-gun legislators, along with the state and federal pro-2A organizations, will get behind it. However, until that happens, I appreciate those in the legislature that have enough foresight to keep bad bills from coming to the top and becoming a problem.

Ameer wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I could not disagree with you more. You aren't talking about anti-gun legislators,

With all due respect, their plan is to regulate and restrict where and how the average Texan can carry a handgun for self defense. That is, infringe the right of the people to bear arms. Call it what you want but it looks pretty clear to me.

Nice selective out of context cut and paste there Ameer. Do you work for the mainstream media?

We are talking about legislators who have always been major supporters of Texas gun owners and 2A and will go to bat as much as possible for us. The issue is these unscrupulous instructors are rubbing everyone's face in the fact you can bypass the Texas license and get one somewhere else that maybe doesn't have the same standards as ours from training, etc. Bottom line, it has been brought to the attention of the anti-gun legislators and they are raising a stink, so it rises to the surface and the anti's make a big deal out of it. If these idiots that are advertising their classes this way would realize (or care) that they are hurting concealed carry here in Texas and potentially doing their customers a disfavor by offering a license that may get the privileges taken away because of their lack of caring, and stop their advertising practices, the smell might fade away. However, I believe these instructors (or destructor's) are just in it for the buck and will move on to their next scheme and leave their path of ruin behind for the rest of us to suffer with.

Shinesintx wrote:

apostate wrote:

Shinesintx wrote:As an anti Texas CHL Utah Permit holder, I would bite the bullet and get a Tx CHL

You will have to do that to renew your Utah license, thanks to a new Utah law.

1) There is always another state...Florida.
2) Who is to say that in 5 years...Utah does not repeal it?
3) I may end up getting the Tx CHL for giggles.

You may end up having to get a Texas CHL period due to the very irresponsible and in your face anti-Texas advertising practices of a few instructors when the legislature decides to make Texas a state that only honors your CHL if it is from your state of residence. Colorado, South Carolina, Michigan, New Hampshire, Maine and Florida are already that way. Florida is one of those that is contradictory in the fact it issues non-resident permits, but will not honor a non-resident permit other than its own.

Bottom line, a few bad apples WILL end up ruining it for all of us in the bunch.