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by Keith B
Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:10 am
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356
Replies: 69
Views: 11680

Re: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356

Slowplay wrote:
Griz44 wrote:...I will send out my faxes (again) in the morning supporting this piece of PRO-TEXAS legislation.
Not one single person has been able to substantiate the claim of anti-gun on this bill.
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Nothing in the bill restricts a Texans right to carry.
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Nothing in this bill prevents a Texan from acquiring an out of state license to complement the Texas license.
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Slowplay wrote:Wouldn't HB356 also mean your out-of-state license (FL, UT, etc.) doesn't cover you if your Texas CHL renewal isn't processed & received before your current Texas CHL license expires?
I noticed that no one has answered my question. A current Texas CHL license holder that takes a renewal class (from you or any other Texas licensed instructor) WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY IN TEXAS using their FL CCW license (or other valid license) if they ARE A TEXAN and they don't receive their Texas CHL renewal license from DPS before their current Texas CHL license expires. Am I wrong...and, if not, how is that not restricting a Texan's right to carry?
If this passes and you fall under the Texas residency rules (live here more than 6 months), you would not be able to carry on any license in Texas other than a Texas issued CHL.

So in your scenario, if you have a Texas resident and a Florida non-resident, your Florida non-resident would not be valid in Texas period. So when your Texas license expired you would not be able to carry until you got it renewed. Same thing would go for if your Texas license was temporarily suspended pending an investigation or for some other reason.
by Keith B
Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:52 am
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356
Replies: 69
Views: 11680

Re: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356

sjfcontrol wrote: Keith -- playing devil's advocate here, but I don't think that's right.
Someone from a MAY ISSUE state would be perfectly valid here on a 2nd state's license, providing he didn't have a "domicile" here.
He would be valid here on his own state's license providing he didn't have a domicile here.
If he DID have a domicile here, he wouldn't be valid on a license from his "original" state, or the substitute state.
Oops, sorry, I didn't express my total thoughts. I was thinking of those who visit and live her part time like RV'ers and retirees that are here a lot to visit family and end up meeting the residency requirements. Why should be penalize them if they already have a license that was issued from some other state when they can't get one from their state they normally live in? A good example would be a family who has 5 kids and the father dies. The Parents/Grandparents come to help with the kids until the Mother can get everything situated and they have to stay more than 6 months (I personally know this situation happened.)

Also, there are those Texas residents who for some reason can't get a Texas CHL that are not criminal, like back taxes (say you are fighting a tax issue with the state that you feel is in error) or you are behind on a student loan because you can't find a job to get it paid back? A Pennsylvania license is only $25, and that may be all the person can afford.

Like I say, there are LOTS of reasons for a person to have a non-resident license and we should not penalize them for that. Utah's legislation and this one are just plain anti-2A; Period.
by Keith B
Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:06 am
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356
Replies: 69
Views: 11680

Re: ACTION NEEDED: Hearing on Anti-gun HB356

Griz44 wrote:Thank you for the reminder.

I will send out my faxes (again) in the morning supporting this piece of PRO-TEXAS legislation.
Not one single person has been able to substantiate the claim of anti-gun on this bill.
What is in the verbage that got it this label?
All I see is a PRO-TEXAS statement. And yes, I have read this very short bill multiple times.
Nothing in the bill restricts a Texans right to carry.
Nothing in this bill restricts an out of state CHL licensed visitor from carrying.
Nothing in this bill prevents a Texan from acquiring an out of state license to complement the Texas license.
This bill does one thing only - requires a Texan to have a license in his/her own state.
This is no different than requiring a Texas resident to acquire a Texas drivers license after establishing residence in Texas.
Everything in this bill protects the Texas CHL system from actually becoming the joke that it was well on it's way to being.
This bill is not targeted at Utah, although Utah is the reason the ball on this started rolling in the first place.
Passing this bill will help protect Texas from future Utah-like watering down of the current Texas CHL program.
Even Utah had enough common sense to do something about it. Many other states have already passed legislation like this.
Actually, it DOES impact others. Let's say someone lives in a MAY ISSUE state and their county sheriff will not issue them a permit because he only believes LEO's should carry. Now their only option is to get a non-resident license from another state like Florida or Pennsylvania.

Today, we honor that license and will allow them to carry. If this bill passes, they can no longer carry in Texas. What if they have children that live in Texas and want to come visit? They now have to go unarmed. We also will lose revenue from people who might have taken their vacation here, but now will not because they can't carry. There are tons of other negatives too.

So, you can spout all the rhetoric you want about it being a PRO Texas bill, but you are wrong totally wrong

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