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Right2Carry wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:Sorry Jim you still haven't proved anything. The statement of Fukino still stands, she never said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Sorry you can't get by that little fact. She purposely did not state that Obama was born in Hawaii so that those like you would blindly follow her statement.

Obama has duped many individuals, just add your name to the list. When the truth comes out and it will, I believe I will get the last laugh.

In case you didn't know it, it's a democrat who has been bringing the lawsuits and he still has 3 pending in the lower courts.

I wonder why Obama would pay lawyers to defend this when all he has to do is produce the paper? I guess he has money to burn just to burn.

I don't have anything to prove, a state official declared that bambam is a ciizen, not Fukino, but the person you claim is using mental telepathy.

And bambam hasn't duped me, I doubt his qualification to be president, but, as I have pointed out numerous times, this particular fight is merely wrassling with the pig, and bambam is the pig.

I don't much care whose bringing the suits, they are Quixotic.

And bambam is paying the lawyers so he can watch you wrassle with the pig while he sneaks in earmarks and anti-gun laws and whatever else he can get away with while people are running around chasing conspiracies. Why would he bother to produce a paper when it serves as such a great distractor.

No state official has declared Obama a natural born citizen. You continue to say one official has but so far you have come up empty handed when trying to prove it.

First you tried to use one Hawaiian official and then when that was debunked you conveniently tried to rely on another official who claims to know what the other official meant to say, LOL. Why not have the first official come out and correct her statement?

You choose to believe your sources while I choose to believe my sources. Time will tell which one of us was right.

OK, what is the TRUE definition of 'Natural Born Citizen'? The phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. There is no solid legal definition that anyone has been able to pin down.

Until one has been legally defined and upheld in a court of law, then it is all speculation as to what that phrase actually means and we are in this and other threads. I am through until that term is defined.

mr.72 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

brentkhack wrote:That would automatically make Jr. a citizen too, no matter who the father was or where he was from.

It would not make him a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN".

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

And of course Wikipedia,the encyclopedia written by whomever pleases to write it on the Internet, is a very reliable source of the most thoroughly vetted information. Or maybe it is not.

Just read the 14th Amendment and apply it to the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen. This should clarify it either way. Taken from http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html ... -000-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And, it is TWO years after 14, not 5 (see section (g) )

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401.

Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

brentkhack wrote:

Purplehood wrote:I am a professional and it looked good to me.

Purplehood, you are a professional what? But the Cert of Live Birth is crap. Where is the Birth Certificate and stop hiring three law firms to cover this up. Look here http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... usive.html Also U.S. law did say you have to live in US for 10yrs and 5yrs since the age of 14. Obama's mother was 18 at the time of birth. So simple math is 14+5=19. So he doesn't qualify

That is only if you are NOT a natural born citizen. His mother was a US citizen and had never moved out of the states prior to his being born. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. That would automatically make Jr. a citizen too, no matter who the father was or where he was from.

Unfortunately there are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there. They are not going to give up on anything they can latch on to and try get folks to go along with their rhetoric. If they did, they would be bored and have nothing to do.

jimlongley wrote:How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

If you will check out the Snopes link in my previous post on this, you will find that is in there along with a image of his birth announcement.

He is a natural born citizen. No one ever said his mom delivered him cesarean.

Seriously, it is all a bunch of propaganda and falsities. I trust Snopes pretty well. They even have a copy of the birth announcement from the paper when he was born.

See http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;