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Molon_labe wrote: +1 some rifle cartridges at close range have more impact energy than a shotgun [at the same range], the AR for example under 100 yards packs INSANE amounts of energy but due to the very light projectile it loosed much of its energy past a few hundred yards, the 7.62 doesn't as much (standard 7.62x39 grain rounds are approx 122 grains)

Plus the old adage: A pistol is a what you use to fight your way to a rifle

I agree that some have more ft. lbs. of energy, but the 00-buck has 9 .33 caliber projectiles.

Per The Joint Service Combat Shotgun Program http://jagcnet.army.mil/JAGCNETINTERNET ... le%202.pdf

"The delivery of the large number of projectiles simultaneously makes the shotgun the most effective short range weapon commonly used, with a hit probability 45% greater than a submachine gun, and twice as great as an assault rifle."

That was why I would pull out the Mossberg 500 if I had the opportunity. More chance of hitting my target and no shoot-thru.

CHL/LEO wrote:

Instictively you would think that he would draw a pistol instead of a rifle.

I could see where you might think that but I carry a rifle and a handgun everyday. After personally seeing the damage that can be done by our rifle rounds vs. our hand gun rounds I would pick the rifle every time if I had the opportunity.

My preference was my Mossberg 500 if it was not too close range.

Dougmyers5 wrote:I would not care if he had used a Machine Gun or a Hand Grenade these guys had it coming he did what was right!

Age 17 and 19 they knew better and got what they had coming to them!

The Guard should be Promoted and get a raise for doing an outstanding job in a very difficult place.

Redbird area is not the best place to work for sure! ( Bad Area! )

Bad area or not, knowing what they were doing or not, anytime you have to take a human life, it is a bad thing. The bravado in your post tells me that you have never had to deal with the situation directly or indirectly.

Having been involved in justified shootings as LEO (not the shooting officer, but almost was), you go through a lot of soul searching when these types of things occur. Taking a life is a serious thing.

Did the guard have a choice? Sounds like no, and he did what he had to do to try and survive. However, there are psychological aspects that he will deal with post shooting.

Think about the severity of the action that he had to take. If it was you who REALLY had to do it, I don’t think you would so brazen.

They have more video on the Fox 4 website http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/New ... geId=3.2.1

It was a plain-jane SKS that appeared to be stock.

ScubaSigGuy wrote:What kind of security guards (at strip malls) are authorized to carry rifles?

Legally I don't think it's an issue, but I am curious if it was allowed by his company. I would think that a licensed guard would only be qualified to carry a pistol.

Where is TXI?

From http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/psb/testin ... eview.aspx

'Commissioned Security Officers may carry a firearm when directed to by their employer when they are in the performance of their duties, in a distinctive uniform and with their firearm in plain view.' It doesn't specify what type of firearm.

EDIT: It was on the seat beside him, so it would be in plain view per the law (even though it was dark.) And if he was licensed, that is the reason you get a commision as a security officer so you can be armed.

seamusTX wrote:It sounds like the first time these guys tried to rob someone. Maybe one of them "borrowed" the pistol from home.

- Jim

Ya hate to see kids so young (17, 19) that die for being stupid. It is a shame they don't see the potential of their actions. Maybe these types of incidents will make others think twice before trying something like this.

On the assault rifle, sounds like it actually was, since the police described it as such.

seamusTX wrote:http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... def6a.html

Dallas -- Three men allegedly tried to rob a security guard who was on duty at a mall. One of the robbers was armed with a pistol. The security guard drew a rifle (described in the article as an "assault rifle," of course). Two suspects dead, one in custody. Security guard unlikely to face charges.

It appears the alleged robber did not know how to operate the pistol. Somehow, two unfired cartridges ended up on the ground.

- Jim

This guard was lucky since they had the drop on him. Wonder what knd of handgun they had? Probably some cheap-o or beat up POJ. I doubt these guys ever maintain their guns, and most try to carry without any kind of holster.

In the town where I grew up, they had an individual about a week ago who dropped his weapon out of his pants. They were too baggy and he couldn't keep the gun AND his pants up while walking down the street. Someone saw it fall out and called the police. They areseted him about a block later!