You and I are in absolute agreement here. Carve outs that only affect those that create or interpret the law are always warning signs that there is something seriously wrong with a proposed system. There's a big difference between using a certain carve out as a test-group as opposed to a permanent privilege granted for the sake of having the privilege. A great example are both ACA and currently proposed AHCA. Both administrations proposed a system for the average citizen, but then gave themselves special exemptions/liberties.canvasbck wrote:
Carve outs that have been given to attorneys, judges, ect. have not eventually been granted to us "less than equal" LTC holders. If there were carve outs that later led to expanded general rights, then I would be on board with this form of incrementalism.
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- Tue May 16, 2017 12:41 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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- Mon May 15, 2017 10:33 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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From a general perspective I agree, but in this case it's talking about recovering rights for emergency personnelninjabread wrote:It's an issue of continuing to take rights away, instead of allowing them to be restored.apvonkanel wrote:Yeah, Animal Farm doesn't really work here. This isn't an issue of taking rights away, it's an issue of recovering rights.ScottDLS wrote:Don't be the Dog in the Manger as my (Mexican) grandma used to say.
On the other hand, we have the 7 original tenets of Animalism now boiled down to one... "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal then others". - Napoleon the Pig.
- Fri May 05, 2017 4:00 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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- Views: 74236
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Yeah, Animal Farm doesn't really work here. This isn't an issue of taking rights away, it's an issue of recovering rights. Much like removing the rights was a long process in Orwell's piece, recovering them is as well.ScottDLS wrote:Don't be the Dog in the Manger as my (Mexican) grandma used to say.
On the other hand, we have the 7 original tenets of Animalism now boiled down to one... "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal then others". - Napoleon the Pig.
- Fri May 05, 2017 10:53 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
- Views: 74236
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Thanks, it happens on occasion.RoyGBiv wrote:Sanity from the new(ish) guy!apvonkanel wrote:Honestly, objecting to this bill due to "carve outs" for certain people seems like opposing open carry for LTC because it isn't constitutional carry. Every one of us with an LTC benefits from a "carve out", yet none of us are opposed having one. Everyone that had a CHL benefited from a carve out, then the liberty of the carve out was expanded with no prosecution for accidental reveals, and even more with open-carry.
Removing all restrictions at once just isn't going to happen. Be realistic here. John Q. Public needs to be baby-stepped, otherwise the backlash will put us even further from the goal. Whittling away at the restrictions is feasible, especially if it's supported across the board. If you whittle enough, you end up with nothing. In this case, the "nothing" would be everyone being able to carry in all public spaces. I don't think this bill goes far enough as an end-game, but it's definitely a step in the process.
Really, I just see the need to find a pragmatic way to go about getting what I believe is right.
- Fri May 05, 2017 8:35 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
- Views: 74236
Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
Honestly, objecting to this bill due to "carve outs" for certain people seems like opposing open carry for LTC because it isn't constitutional carry. Every one of us with an LTC benefits from a "carve out", yet none of us are opposed having one. Everyone that had a CHL benefited from a carve out, then the liberty of the carve out was expanded with no prosecution for accidental reveals, and even more with open-carry.
Removing all restrictions at once just isn't going to happen. Be realistic here. John Q. Public needs to be baby-stepped, otherwise the backlash will put us even further from the goal. Whittling away at the restrictions is feasible, especially if it's supported across the board. If you whittle enough, you end up with nothing. In this case, the "nothing" would be everyone being able to carry in all public spaces. I don't think this bill goes far enough as an end-game, but it's definitely a step in the process.
Removing all restrictions at once just isn't going to happen. Be realistic here. John Q. Public needs to be baby-stepped, otherwise the backlash will put us even further from the goal. Whittling away at the restrictions is feasible, especially if it's supported across the board. If you whittle enough, you end up with nothing. In this case, the "nothing" would be everyone being able to carry in all public spaces. I don't think this bill goes far enough as an end-game, but it's definitely a step in the process.