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Ruark wrote:

ScottDLS wrote: What about possession of ammunition purchased before ban, and are all non-residents prohibited from possessing any ammunition in the state? What if I come to Cali to hunt or target shoot?

You can possess it, but can't sell it. You can share or loan it to family or friends, but can't sell it.

To add fuel to the fire on this one the law does specify that it only applies to CA residents as far as purchasing outside and bringing it in. To further widen the hole it also doesn't say anything about a non-resident GIVING ammo to a CA resident (you can't sell it though). I can just see it now, "hey while I was out shooting I accidentally bought an extra box of ammo you want it?, a few weeks go by, "hey you remember that money I borrowed from you last June well here it is." Don't worry though I'm sure as soon as they realize this it will be patched up in a hurry.

MechAg94 wrote:So does that definition mean a revolver with a flash suppressor could be considered an assault weapon? I wonder if they would stretch that to include compensators.

I have a single action revolver in 22 LR that holds 12 rounds. I wonder if they would consider the cylinder to be the same as a magazine.

I think (and think being the key here) that the cylinder is considered a "fixed magazine" so it would not fall under the ban (the larger than 10 only applies to rifles as far as I can tell), so I'm fairly confident that the revolver would be ok in that case.

ScottDLS wrote:

mccloven27 wrote:If you look a little deeper past the surface at all the extra stuff they tacked onto this bill it gets worse. Not only does buying ammunition require a permit (that costs $50 every 4yrs), it also requires the state to keep a registry of the people that have a "ammunition purchase authorization". The state must also share this registry with law enforcement agencies for "law enforcement purposes". They also included a section that allows agencies to seek and obtain a warrant to search and seize someones property(ies) in the event they have a registered firearm or ammuntion they are no longer permitted to have. Allegedly this was to allow courts to force people to get rid of firearms if they became a person that is no longer allowed to have one. Then they added a section that if you posses a "large capacity magazine" its only a misdemeanor however they can fine you and/or put you in jail for 1yr. I wonder if its a coincidence that 1yr is just long enough to lose your firearm rights?

I hate to go all conspiracy theory on this one but I would not be surprised one bit if they just outright ban certain/all types of guns within the next 5-10yrs and use that registration list as a good place to start looking for them. They have a perfect combination of laws in place now to allow them to legally seize weapons and know where to find them.

It's more than 1 year to be a prohibiting felony and more than 2 years for State designated misdemeanors. Better than New York, where it's a "violent felony".

Thank you for bringing that to my attention my post has been edited for clarity.

If you look a little deeper past the surface at all the extra stuff they tacked onto this bill it gets worse. Not only does buying ammunition require a permit (that costs $50 every 4yrs), it also requires the state to keep a registry of the people that have a "ammunition purchase authorization". The state must also share this registry with law enforcement agencies for "law enforcement purposes". They also included a section that allows agencies to seek and obtain a warrant to search and seize someones property(ies) in the event they have a registered firearm or ammuntion they are no longer permitted to have. Allegedly this was to allow courts to force people to get rid of firearms if they became a person that is no longer allowed to have one. /*Then they added a section that if you posses a "large capacity magazine" its only a misdemeanor however they can fine you and/or put you in jail for 1yr. I wonder if its a coincidence that 1yr is just long enough to lose your firearm rights?*/

I hate to go all conspiracy theory on this one but I would not be surprised one bit if they just outright ban certain/all types of guns within the next 5-10yrs and use that registration list as a good place to start looking for them. They have a perfect combination of laws in place now to allow them to legally seize weapons and know where to find them.

edited: It has been brought to my attention that the 1yr comment is wrong. The California statute states "up to one year" and the federal ban concerns convictions that hold a sentence of "more than one year". Sorry for the misunderstanding