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Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:05 pm

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:51 pm I'd love to see Dan Crenshaw introduce a bill which mirrors this one wherein the right to own a gun is replaced by the right to vote or serve on a jury. Democrats hold very different views on restrictions pertaining to rights that they support.

The right to vote is MUCH more dangerous than the RKBA. Remember Hitler was elected. If we collectively vote irresponsibly, then all human life on this planet can be eliminated through nuclear war. The right to vote should be MUCH more restricted than the RKBA.

Also, let's not forget about this part "25 years in jail and 100k fine if you sell a gun to someone and they commit suicide with it!". Maybe apply that to the sale of an automobile. If anyone kills themselves or others by driving negligently and/or drunk, then throw the vehicle seller in jail for 25 years.

All arguments for gun control are chaff around the only real argument: the wholly subjective belief that guns are bad. My absolute favorite is the argument that we should regulate guns just as we regulate cars, because it makes sense only if someone grossly misunderstands the substance and purpose of a driver's license. A driver's license only covers operation of a motor vehicle on public roadways, which in the context of the gun rights analogy means that gun owners only gained similar rights with the passage of LTC laws in the 1990s and 2000s. The driver's license analogy is in reality only applicable to constitutional carry, but in that case the negligible changes in gun homicide rates after the passage of CC laws begs the question "licensure to what end, other than your personal and subjective hatred of firearms?"

More broadly, I think that pondering how rights that we value need to be regulated to prevent misuse is important, but that cannot happen when one of the parties is negotiating in bad faith. I want all US citizens to vote, but I want to exclude non-citizens, felons and the deceased. I want all US citizens to have the RTKBA, but I want to exclude people who were kicked out of school for being essentially feral. I don't see any discussions on how to safely guarantee rights because every time I hear some version of that phrase, it's Beto talking about how people with a near-zero lifetime risk of killing someone need to give up their AR-15s for the common good.

I'd love to see Dan Crenshaw introduce a bill which mirrors this one wherein the right to own a gun is replaced by the right to vote or serve on a jury. Democrats hold very different views on restrictions pertaining to rights that they support.