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seamusTX wrote:

lawrnk wrote:"I never planned on carrying outside of my vehicle."

Many carjackings occur as the driver is approaching the vehicle on foot. That's the best time to get a victim who has his keys in his hand and may be distracted.

I never understood the thinking in having a weapon in the glove box or under the seat.

- Jim

I tried explaining that to him, no luck

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I get the impression from a few instructors that they don't like the law either. I think they worry less people will get a CHL since they can now carry in their car.[/quote]


A guy a work mentioned he wanted the CHL to carry in the car. I mentioned the law changed on Sept 1, ad he states, well no point in getting my CHL then. I never planned on carrying outside of my vehicle.

aardwolf wrote:If lawrnk saw the gun it wasn't concealed so the new law doesn't apply.

If he just saw a dark skinned man and assumed there was a gun that's different.

Doesn't apply? IANAL, but I thought the habdgun must be concealed in the vehicle?

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Texas does not have a brandishing law as do many states.

Chas.

Well, I'm often wrong. I thought it was illegal to brandish in the car.

To keep it short, I was not there. My wife and kid were in the drive-thru at Arbys in Missouri city. A car pulled up 6 feet or so on her right, and 2 guys jumped out and went after a man walking behind the Arbys. My wife claims to have seen a handgun that the driver was handling in his mustang. The 2 males outside the car began beating the other man. I'm glad she did not attempt to get a plate # or delay in any way as she burned rubber out of there, and called police on the cell. The men were not apprehended. The 2 aggressors were dressed in "gang" style according to my wife. Obviously, this was very concerning to me. I have not yet convinced my wife to pursue a CHL.

dihappy wrote:

Basically what I did not go into is some idiots, who appeared to be armed made my wife (baby in tow) very uncomfortable. Nuff said about it, nothing is going to stick them in jail.

Especially when they havnt even done anything illegal.

Last i noticed, looking like a "mexican" and driving an import wasnt illegal.

Yeah, it was the brandishing part that was illegal. Anyways, as I said, I'm dropping it since there is nothing I can presently do and my wife did not get the license plate.

seamusTX wrote:It is a crime for an illegal alien to be in the country. It is a crime for an illegal alien to acquire or possess a firearm. Would an illegal alien obey a state law that says he can't carry a handgun? Of course not. So you are going to have illegal aliens carrying handguns regardless of what the law says.

Tailoring a law to allow the police to arrest some criminals while violating the rights of law-abiding people is exactly the thinking of all "gun control" advocates. You're just drawing a line in a slightly different place.

This issue is anyway. The bill has been passed and signed into law. It isn't going to change.

- Jim

Agreed, it likely is a dead horse. If we could somehow allow police to identify bangers and illegals, I would sure feel a heck of alot better.

Basically what I did not go into is some idiots, who appeared to be armed made my wife (baby in tow) very uncomfortable. Nuff said about it, nothing is going to stick them in jail.

boomerang wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

boomerang wrote:Have you read the law? Criminals still can't legally carry.

Welcome to the 4th largest city in the US. It is called Houston, and run by a fellow named Bill White.
Are you even a Texan?

I'm not sure what relevance that has to the question. It sure sounds like you haven't read the law.

The relevance is that we are in a sanctuary city supported by White, and our governor is no better. If our police are not allowed to question them on immigration status, how can they know if the person carrying is illegal?

anygunanywhere wrote:

lawrnk wrote:Sorry, who are you quoting in the RKBA part here???

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Nope, don't agree. I don't see anything there about having to meet your idea of reasonable restrictions. If you can point out where it is written there I will agree.

Anygunanywhere

Who am I quoting? The second amendment to the constitution. Have you ever read the Bill of Rights?

Anygun[/quote]

Of course. It looked like you were quoting me, that I wrote that. My mistake.

boomerang wrote:Have you read the law? Criminals still can't legally carry.

Welcome to the 4th largest city in the US. It is called Houston, and run by a fellow named Bill White.
Are you even a Texan?

boomerang wrote:

lawrnk wrote:Please do not mistake me as someone who is anti RKBA,

You sound like you're arguing for infringements on a right that RKBA says "shall not be infringed."

lawrnk wrote:but I keep seeing people with firearms who put my, and more importantly my family's safety at risk...and it concerns me. I believe the right to keep and bear arms, is inherent. But as much as it pains me to say, I worry.

What exactly are they doing to put you at risk? You can press charges if they violate section 22.05 of the penal code.

For the first part, one could argue that needing a CHL to carry on ones person would be quite a "infringment"

Thanks for quoting that 22.05 thing, I imagine it will bring great solice when hector the illegal kills someone. I feel much better. Did you know that illegal alien criminals can now carry on their persons in the car?

srothstein wrote:Nope, I am not afraid from this law and I actively support it. I have always been a believer that laws only stop honest people. Anyone who wanted a gun in the car already had one. I just don't see the numbers going up very much. What the law did is stopping making criminals of some people who were otherwise honest.

Many of our laws do this, and it really needs to be stopped. Why are we making criminals of people who never hurt anyone else in any way?

Good and honest people should not be the basis to possess a firearm in ones car or on ones person. I know many more people who cannot properly handle a firearm safely, than those who can. Possession of a firearm in ones home SHOULD be the right of every law abiding American (less those with mental or other issues) without question. I feel less concern with homeowners who are armed and unsafe, than I am about the civic next to me (with a flowmaster and spinning rims) while my 1 year old son is 5 feet away from the "you lookin at me" fool who can now carry legally in his car. Please do not mistake me as someone who is anti RKBA, but I keep seeing people with firearms who put my, and more importantly my family's safety at risk...and it concerns me. I believe the right to keep and bear arms, is inherent. But as much as it pains me to say, I worry. As a new parent, I never worry about the gang thug who moved back home with his mamma next door as there is several feet of brick between him and my son. I do worry about the 21 year old thug who bought a Lorcin and is now playing with it in his car, never learned safety, and my kid is looking out the car window at him.

srothstein wrote:Nope, I am not afraid from this law and I actively support it. I have always been a believer that laws only stop honest people. Anyone who wanted a gun in the car already had one. I just don't see the numbers going up very much. What the law did is stopping making criminals of some people who were otherwise honest.

Many of our laws do this, and it really needs to be stopped. Why are we making criminals of people who never hurt anyone else in any way?

My concern, as noted in my post, was not really about criminals. Anyone who wanted a firearm in his/her car was risking the fact that "traveling" was not defined. Please speak up, those who have not been to the range and seen the "idiot." THESE are the people who are now armed in the car, and yes, that scares me.

I recently joined PSC, and I love the facility. But even 15 minutes after I got my badge, I had a guy who chose to begin to fire 50 feet behind me on the pistol range. I could see every inch of the end of his barrel, and I was down range of every shot he took. I brought this to his attention and he scoffed at me. I had 6 weapons on the range and was not about to leave them to go hunt down the range master since the fellow left 4 minutes later while I and another member of this forum got clear of his shots while figuring out what to do. I will ask PSC directors about a central number one might call to possibly notify the range master on property that day about unsafe members.

Simple example. I'm just saying, when the CHL came about in the 90's, I thought it was a great idea because it goes to at least attempt to "qualify" someone to carry in PUBLIC. I left baileys gun range and went to PSC after a Korean pointed his loaded UZI at me simply because he clearly had no training in safety, and that he happened to be the "range idiot" that is so prevelant at baileys.

My point is safety and training, nothing more or less. I focus on safety more than anything when it comes to firearms. I'm not arguing RKBA. There are people, including several in my own family who have carried in car and based on age and training/exp, simply should not have that firearm accessible in a vehicle!

Sorry, who are you quoting in the RKBA part here???

anygunanywhere wrote:

lawrnk wrote:Am I the only one who is slighty concerned about anyone being able to carry in car?

Here is why. I know CHL's are not criminals. I know most have qualified on the range and can properly handle a weapon.
What scares me are the people who used to be armed at home, never been to the range, and do not know how to safely handle a weapon the weapon 18 inches from them. Am I the only one?

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Nope, don't agree. I don't see anything there about having to meet your idea of reasonable restrictions. If you can point out where it is written there I will agree.

ANygunanywhere

Am I the only one who is slighty concerned about anyone being able to carry in car?

Here is why. I know CHL's are not criminals. I know most have qualified on the range and can properly handle a weapon.
What scares me are the people who used to be armed at home, never been to the range, and do not know how to safely handle a weapon the weapon 18 inches from them. Am I the only one?