I understand where the government believes it got the authority, but is it constitutional to restrict what activities a religious organization performs on its own property?Jusme wrote:bblhd672 wrote:It occurs to me to ask "where exactly does the government get the authority to legislate how a religious organization conducts its internal business?"ghentry wrote:Our government at work. This bill would say that you can BE volunteer security for the church, you just can't CALL yourself security by using the word security on garments. Got it.
Also, "where exactly does the security industry get the authority to say that religious organizations must conduct its internal business under their guidelines?"
What's next? Legislating what the religious organization can and cannot say?
The government got the authority, when the security industry's lobby pushed them to outlaw anyone not specially "trained and licensed" to perform security duties. There was no exemption for churches, because at the time, church security, was not a major issue. Once churches wanted to form their own security teams, the security industry lobbyists, put the kaibash on it, to protect their money. When churches fell under attack, it was obvious that if they could require them to hire certified security people, there could be money made.
Since most churches, especially smaller churches, can't afford to hire security companies, they have either have to rely on the goodness of others, to not attack them, or do without. This will exempt churches from that requirement, as it should have been in the beginning.
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- Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:47 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB421 Reported Favorably as Substituted
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- Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:44 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB421 Reported Favorably as Substituted
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It occurs to me to ask "where exactly does the government get the authority to legislate how a religious organization conducts its internal business?"ghentry wrote:Our government at work. This bill would say that you can BE volunteer security for the church, you just can't CALL yourself security by using the word security on garments. Got it.
Also, "where exactly does the security industry get the authority to say that religious organizations must conduct its internal business under their guidelines?"
What's next? Legislating what the religious organization can and cannot say?
- Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:24 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB421 Reported Favorably as Substituted
- Replies: 24
- Views: 20855
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This is going to sound harsh, but the security industry probably expects that increased attacks on churches is going to take place, thus increasing the likelihood that the industry will profit handsomely from it.TresHuevos wrote:Working in the security industry myself, this whole thing really makes me scratch my head. I know of only one church (and it's a mega-church) in our city that has security and they even have PPOs for the Pastor. There's just not enough hours of work to be close to profitable.bblhd672 wrote:Seems like the "security industry" is winning this one.
Sometimes we are too nice when dealing with opposition. Someone should have looked at the security industry people testifying and ask them why they wanted to allow the slaughter of innocent church going children in order to protect their profits.
- Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:21 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB421 Reported Favorably as Substituted
- Replies: 24
- Views: 20855
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Seems like the "security industry" is winning this one.