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Thank you kd for your way or presenting your thoughts or sentiments on this subject. Very kind of you to reply.

Thank you compvest.

To Wildbill---You are right I do have the right to ask questions to learn about the rainer bullet and its performance. I have yet to see documentation (proof) of as to the why not to use those bullets for self defense. All I see written is you are not supposed to use them if you will. That to me sir if it bothers you does not answer my question in full. Mr. Wildbill at least speaking for myself I volunteered to go into the Army and volunteered to go to Vietnam. Yes sir my freedom of speech should not be questioned not only because I am a veteran but because I am an American hopefully just like you. If you are an American citizien like I am we both have the right to freedom of speech and should not be questioned or intended to be stopped by other rheterical means. I do thank you for your input sir I do appreciate it. Unless you have proof as to why I shouldnt use this Rainier bullet as self defense (not just you are not supposed to) then don't rheterocially put it if you will in such a way as to stop asking. I am just using --you are not supposed to---as an example of what some people tell me. Thank you for your time.

Thank you all for such great input on this subject. Mojo took the words out of my mouth when he said that they should perform like the fbi load. Thank you Mojo and everyone for my having a great learning experience.

Mojo I didnt know you are so picky if one happens to go to other forums to find information on a certain subject. It sounds like you are bothered by it could be wrong that is me. I am just trying to find an answer that I am ignorant to. I still don't get the right answers sometimes more often than not. But I still appreciate the input. For example, I am ignorant to what you said they perform the same as soft lead bullets. Well to be honest I am ignorant as to how soft lead bullets perform as man stoppers. I know you mentioned to stick to higher level bullets. But,it is just a question and learning experience i am going thru. I am sure I don't know half the things you know. That is why I am a so-called walking question. If that disturbs you I am so sorry. But thank you for your input. Are you going to follow all of my vists to other forums? Just a question Mojo.

Hi I have a question for you all. Has anyone in here tried Mastercast bullet co? I called them up and they said they use Rainer bullets for remanufactured brass. Being that the Rainer bullet is copperplated that is at least in 38 special and 357 magnum, will it open up well and be considered as a man stopper?